Discussion in 'Don Juan Tips' started by DIESEL, Jan 28, 2003.
I feel the urge to beat my chest and high-five everyone in the room.
I'm supposing the N@zi Moderators went and edited the hell if not deleted your posts hey?
Pretty sad they they do IMO.
Oh and if you didn't know I'm Dr. Claw on there.
Damn Moderators don't know a good post when they see one. The say "HEY A SWEAR EDIT/DELETE IT!".
I found that out back before my Internet went out for a few months.
Wow, they're really doing their members a disservice by editing all the good stuff.
Diesel, I used to think the same about women at one point. But I cannot walk away from a riddle. And what better riddle is there but woman? It ended up blossoming into studying sexuality itself, and how it transcends the sex act itself. You will find it in art, business, politics, society in general.
Oddly, I could never define woman. Nothing was there. Was Weineger correct? The more time progressed, the more it became clear to me that I was trying to define a mirror. In my mind, it seemed I posted an article on femininity but it ends up being on masculinity instead! The more I looked into the core of woman, the more I saw the spirit of man.
Women seem more like a touchstone, who streaks men and see if they are gold or not. How many men had their lives transformed by not obtaining the love of a woman they wanted? And they were transformed not in the sexual way, but into something more. Almost every biography I've seen of world changing men always contain the fact that they fell in love with a woman and did not get her. Washington, Adams, Dante (he turns Beautrice into heaven in his immortal epic), Beethoven, practically all poets, practically all famous generals, etc. It is as if these guys saw their own wimpish worthless reflections in the women they sought, and changed their ways. I believe it was Kierkegaard who says, "It is true that behind every great man there is a woman. But it is always the woman he DID NOT marry."
A theme of Shakespeare is that when his characters condemn, they condemn themselves. If you look for this in real life, it becomes quite fun. It is amazing how many people condemn themselves! A poster on this board who rages relentlessly against AFCs... probably still is an AFC at heart. The anti-social hermit who says, "Those people clowning around do not understand life" condemns himself.
If you combine these two, you will get reflections of people. The Nice Guy who sees the woman as angelic and pure, he himself is innocent and 'angelic'. The guy that sees women as machiavelli creatures is often himself a machiavelli creature. The guy that sees women as b*tches is himself acting like one. The guy who sees woman as a playtoy is, himself, merely a playtoy. And the guy who sees women as only things to screw is, himself, merely a thing whose purpose is to screw. It's fascinating (to me) to see this everywhere. One thing that seems more clear: man and woman are not two but one. Perhaps there is more truth than we realize in the ancient phrase of 'the two as one flesh' (rather than the modern view of two atomized individuals in a legal contract).
In the end, the joke is probably on us. We're trying post/rationalize what should be natural. This site (including its sister ones) seem more and more ridiculous to me. Guys who think they are 'men' because they get women (which are insanely easy to get anyway) are like Don Quixotes who think they are knights because they caught windmills.
Women are emotional not because they are stupid but because they play Nature's role. Imagine if we men gave birth! Why, in delivery we would bite our lip, think that we ought to 'be a man', and not scream (which is a shame since screaming assists in the birth). A man knows that it is right for him to shoulder and conquer pain, not unleash it on others. If Man was pregnant, he would kill the child through his own being. The woman screams, talks, blabblers, unleashes her feelings, which is necessary for her to carry the child to and through delivery. It is also noticable that children gather around the mother, they seem to relate to her better. But when the children turn to adults, they gather around the man (as he shows the example to live by).
This is absolutely NOT true. Even when I was scrawny, I still scored chicks with my poetry. But it wasn't my poetry, it was my imagination that reeled them in. Musicians also get laid.
Women go for rich guys and strong guys because of self-survival (wouldn't you marry a woman with millions?). Women are more attracted to imagination than to power. They are only attracted to power in a survival way. They may marry the politician but will sleep with the artist down the road.
There was this guy who was REALLY maxed out physically, so much so that he almost got on Baywatch. The girls nicknamed him 'heaven'. And so enters Pook. This guy saw me with the girls and RUSHED OVER to try to peel them away. It was like I was taking away his source of his ego. Talk about pathetic.
Women sincerely want the best life they can get and choose the man who best supplies that. The 'power' guys either of physical strength or income or even influence are placed in the 'self survival' slot (women look around the room and wonder what income these guys are going to make...). But women also want to do more than survive; they want to laugh and make the fatal mistake of romance by trying to make it last forever. The muscian, the artist, the (good) poet, all have a command of imagination and adds to her life in that way. Women think they deserve the best life possible and will seek it... through you.
thanks for the feedback.
1. I understand your point and it is very interesting, how we view women as a reflection of how we view ourselves. I guess to some extent that holds true. As we get older, and presumably, see the ways of the world , pick up experience and have people hurt us.. it's only natural to become more cynical. Can't really argue with that. But I can't really feel guilty for wanting to bone a lot of girls, I don't think my views on women reflect badly on me at all. I'm just honest with myself and with the caliber of woman that is out there. If I were to meet a women that inspired me on all levels, then yeah, I'd probably change my toon. However, I can't say that I am holding my breath for that day, and in the meantime, I sure as hell will not continue to live like a monk, while pursuing some Quijote-an quest for the perfect woman. I take what is presented to me in the course of my life. I have a bit of a romantic notion that one day I will meet a girl that will knock my socks off... but so far that hasn't happened yet.
2. However, your point on the imagination... you say that chicks don't get off on the power. Here I will continue to disagree. Isn't your premise of the control over the imagination but another manifestation of power? If you can control and capture a girl's imagination, it sounds like just another form of power a man can wield over a woman. I do agree with you about the imagination, and I think it's a very valid argument, but I don't really see the difference between that and the more traditional power argument.
It sounds like it's just another expression of power. For example, assume the perfect man can provide power through material goods and security - a physical power, if you will, while the artist/poet can provide a more spiritual form of power through the effect his art would have on the woman. It just seems like the woman is always on the look out to maximize her own welfare... but in the end it's just another form of females being drawn to any manifestation of power like moths to the flame.
3. About the women wanting the best life they can get and choosing the guy who can best give it to them. ....
This is definitely not true. Women make incredibly stupid choices when choosing whom they marry, for what seem to be an infinite number of reasons that defy explanation (since each situation is unique).. This, to me, accounts for the incredibly high divorce rate in this country. If what you say is true, then how come people divorce so much?
Hey Diesel! I'm not saying you, or anyone, should feel guilty about how you view women. Men and women agree on one thing: they both distrust women.
I think after a while, Nature says, "This will not do. Therefore, I will place internal pressue in you to desire the LTR, to marry, to have kids." In time, the Savage Bull doth bare the yoke.
No, they DO get off on power. But they get off on other things then that too. How can that jobless starving artist be with that hottie? He is dreamy.
When I was going to be a lawyer, chicks loved that. They see lawyers as a type of power (when in truth, there are millions of lawyers crawling around who still end up poor. Being a lawyer won't make you wealthy). They don't see that, they see only the IMAGE.
If they get the impression that I am goal-less college wise, career wise, that my only sense is to pursue my passion, artistic or otherwise, they get off on that too! It is almost like they imagine in their head, "This guy will be adventurous" and they want to be a part of that life.
But if you are some boring Nice Guy who just wants to get some basic job and rot, rot, rot, rot through life, they will turn to you only as a last resort. Women want to be winners in life just as well as we do. When they are married, when they meet other couples, the women will examine each others' husbands. Who got the Great Catch and who didn't? Who won and who got the loser?
I'll do a post on this.
Heh, who said women judged men rationally? In HER mind, that loser is not a loser. He is a spontaneous exciting person who adds to her DULL life. Women will have anything: happiness, saddness, horror, fear, joy, laughter, but they will not tolerate one thing: BOREDOM. They may even see the loser for what he is. They then think, "I will turn this guy around. He will become successful because of ME!" This stupid female vanity lets women marry the loser despite everyone's advice to the contrary.
Everyone believes they are super special. Women in the 18-26 year bracket have these HUGE expectations that no man can fulfill! They get married at, say, twenty two. After a couple of years, they get BORED and/or realize that marriage is not some magical process of transcendence. She sees other women her age out having fun but she is stuck with responsibilities. Oh, if she could only shrug off the husband and be single again!
Unhealthy romance: the pursuit of the lover.
Healthy romance: the presence of the lover.
It is almost a cult to many of these women (and some men!). These excessive expectations contains neither the friendship or civility that makes marriage successful. It fulfills the way a drug fulfills, requiring new infusions to sustain the high. We've raised their romanticism so much that its taken to be a personal and cultural panacea, a solve for everything. But not one thing solves everything. So they suffer the permanent disappointment of these excessive expectations. Twenty years of affection, caring, friendship, the small favors husbands and wives do for each other, is seen as 'boring' to these cultists. But in my opinion, it is far more and greater than their stupid expectations.
An obituary ought to be written. It'll be its tombstone when we bury this out of control romanticism for good.
Quote from Pook: "An obituary ought to be written. It'll be its tombstone when we bury this out of control romanticism for good."
When I was with one of my MLTRs a few weeks ago, I got on a rant about the astronomical damage of the misplaced and displaced romanticism that is at the very foundation of the divorce epidemic.
First, there's the emotional damage -- to the husband, the wife, their children and families. Millions of kids are scarred for life.
Then, there's the physical damage of wife, and even some husband beatings. Outrageous.
How can anyone overlook the financial devastation? Not only to the divorced couple, but to their employers who often must pay for their reduced productivity. Meanwhile, divorce lawyers collect their outrageous fees; money that could be better spent in other areas of the economy, if not for charity.
Aside from the divorce rate, how many couples can truly say they're happy with their marriages? Maybe 25%? That leaves a total "satisfaction" rate of 25%.
When will we wake up to reality and stop projecting our unrealistic images and expectations on the "objects of our affection" and see them for the people they truly are, both good and bad?
When will we start to understand the true nature of attraction and how it relates and doesn't relate to our expectations?
When will the mass media stop spoon feeding us their mindless, insipid and false portrayals of romance and attraction? Has anyone noticed how many of these horrid romantic "comedies" are in release today? This garbage goes beyond mental junk food. It's emotional poison.
When will we quit whining and wringing our hands and do something about this?
I can't answer that. One thing I do know is that the DJ philosophy and way of life, while still imperfect and evolving, is a step in the right direction.
(By the way, once I had climbed off my soap box, my lady friend heartily agreed with me.)
Jesus H. Christ.
Much thanks to everyone for finally making a meaningful thread on this forum. It's good to see that some people can still have thoughtful and interesting discussion. I'll be following this thread, for certain.
The N@zi Mods over there went and deleted your post again.
they moved it to OTHER
There are also some good DJ posters over there. Deepdish, Jake Steed, DWK, Dave_710, Dr. Claw, Dr. Metal, and a few others.
I think for the most part these guys give some good advice on behalf of the DJ's. Ive noticed that some will even refer guys over here when they are clearly AFC's beyond repair (Dave does this and occasional others).
Yes, it is AFC land, but we do have some great reps over there who do hold up their end of the battle.
Pook have you read Plato's "the symposium"?
Your post very much glows of the same spirit and carries the same points. If you haven't, read it. Since its a classic its available for free all over the internet.
OK my mistake on the N@zi mods deleting it.
Oh and BTW, for those who don't know, Dr. Claw, would be me.
When i first came here, to tell you the truth, i did not really want to become a DJ. All i wanted and still want is to become a real man. Some of the best examples of such men can be found in ancient roman and greek stories. And as far as girls go...i have found that i don't need to change anything! I dunno, my personality is just me, and it's perfect. Girls seem to be the last thing on my mind nowadays because i'm just preoccupied with more important things. However, although i haven't really needed to take a whole lot of advice about women, one thing which i found in a lot of posts here did make me a better person.
"If you died tomorrow and looked back at your life, what would you do differently?"
I suggest everyone, no matter what your reason for being on this site, always remember this!
was this like panty raid #999?
hate to see a good post go to waste on that site.
they get all offended and move it and modify it unitl some fat a$$ed and some fag "feel" comfortable with it.
sites like that are afraid that afc is some descriminating word and cant just take it for what it really is.
** no offense to fat a$$es or fags********
Wow, just when I've given up all hope of finding an intelligent discussion on this board....
I laugh every time someone blames women for their lack of romantic success. Most people are oblivious to the fact that however little sense can be made of womens actions, everything they do has PURPOSE and REASON.
This purpose makes sense when looking back to primitive times when it was essential for women to choose a mate based upon his ability to provide food, shelter, protection, and good genes.
The criteria by which a woman chooses a man hardly seems to have bearing in todays world, but with rapid advances in modern society that allow women to be self-sufficient, evolution couldn't possibly have had time to catch up and compensate.
I disagree. Survival is of utmost importance to any human, hence any quality in a man that shows ability to assure survival will be held in the highest regard. With death nothing else matters.
Of the half dozen or so times in my life that I witnessed a guy creating INSTANT and INTENSE attraction it has invariably been with a display of power and dominance.
Yes. It is utterly disgusting. My boy got dragged to that "Maid in Manhattan" crap by his wife.
To make matters worse a couple of them seem to be trying to woo a male audience as well. Did anyone else catch that?
I take it for granted that you don't mean the ENTIRE Europe right?
In my opinion, being a North European. Most North europeans, and East Coast countries, are quite affected and influenced by America. Which means they are very like their american AFC counterpart too, even worse!
btw didn't you know that the feminism bs is one of the strongest in Scandinavia?
Re: And they call themselves "Girl Problems." What a travesty!
Ohh and Diesel, I would love to repost it again, you know to give the guys over there a second chance. But this time I'd like to edit some of the bad words...you know cursing really discredit your credibility.
nice post. that hottie girl is an ignorant peice of ****. she must have a grudge against you because a guys like us have ****ed her and dumped her.
Thanks man, I needed that reminder. Sometimes a slap upside the head is better than honey, as in catch more flies with.
Pook, you're getting Zen, dude. You haven't gone LTR on us, have you?
Back to the discussion.[/b}
Diesel, I so agree with you that 99% of the women I meet being worthless. I have since attributed that high factor to where I meet most of my women AND my age. At 30, most of the girls you and I are looking for are either married or hiding at home.
I've been searching for a new ways to increase the odds of finding an attractive and a quality girl. But it is still hard. Thank god there are plenty of hoes on the road quality.
Anyway, I am convinced that the girl of my dreams will not be found at a bar. Okay, where to go from here? I am joining new organizations like Toastmasters and the Children’s Candlelight foundation.
Now there you can really find some quality ladies. Guys like you and me, DJ's in our own right, are rare and a fresh breathe to these young professional women.
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