Men do more approaching than woman, so of course they're going to get rejected more. A woman's rejection is more "silent". Either the guy they want is taken, won't approach them, or doesn't seem to notice them. They're not really shot down directly like a guy is. As far as arguing about who has it worse; I don't really see what the point is, or how it benefits anyone.
rejected women have it better than rejected men
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Im not sure this thread is purely about approaching, as for how it benfits anyone, have you seen a man who has been rejected and left souless? its pityful, if it was a dog you would put it down. women know the deal, its hidden from menevansblue said:
There will be no peace for men until we once again put women back to the status of an owned object like a car or a petDonGorgon said:
For most of man's 2 million year history he has owned his women as a material object
this is the rightful position of a woman...and the only situation where she can be happy...women's emotional vacillations are not suited to the modern world...it results in corruption and degradation...things we see all around us..
this POV seems *extreme* to many men...but in truth 99% of western men are faggots who have lost the meaning of what it is to be a man.
What I'm saying is I don't see the point in debating who has it worse off. That doesn't get anybody anywhere. That's a misery loves company mindset. Rejection can be hard to take, yes. But saying this rejected person has it easier than that rejection person... everything is subjective. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.betheman said:
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for the longest time, the main reason why in my own personal opinion i liked to feel that women had it easier than men is because they don't have to initiate anything, they don't have to do the approaching, asking out, moves, etc., but thats not the whole story now, it's because of the standards, traits, qualifications women expect from men, they are more demanding than the traits, qualifications most of us men expect from women, because a guys assertiveness, manliness, ballsiness alone will not get him the girl, he has to have a life, have a lot of things going for him, have his **** together(especially by a certain age, move out of his parents house by a certain age), be confident, secure, comfortable and content with himself, have good or decent conversation-skills, social-skills, have a passion, be a leader instead of a follower, be tall, have a nice toned stomach and body, arms, perfect teeth, be strong, take charge, take control, have goals, be ambitious, etc.betheman said:
Meanwhile women just have to have a vagina, and just be hot, cute, pretty, average or decent looking, and they don't need anything going for them in their lives
I disagree....the average woman is used to picking & choosing guys so she thinks she's infallible; when a guy rejects her she's not used to it at all and she starts getting very angry/depressed over that one guy (I've seen it happen, women can very easily become stalkers). This is true whether she likes him or not because her ego has been reprimanded, in contrast to the 20-30 compliments she gets a day
Not if he has any game/self-worth. When I Next a girl I mean it. My integrity is worth more than that, and besides, there's another one BETTER than her waiting to be spun. That's just meDonGorgon said:
To play the devil's advocate on a cold, cold rainy night if I had NO other options, maybe. But I certainly wouldn't give her the satisfaction of knowing I wanted it beforehand (or even during, to a certain degree). And you can bet after that night I'll be acting like nothing's changed (which it hasn't)DonGorgon said:
"I disagree....the average woman is used to picking & choosing guys so she thinks she's infallible; "
no, she doesnt think she is infallible, she knows she has choices and options, like buses, there will be another one along real soon1 let the fake tears roll in the mean time!
no, she doesnt think she is infallible, she knows she has choices and options, like buses, there will be another one along real soon1 let the fake tears roll in the mean time!
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yes even ugly and fat women now have men to chose from...betheman said:
Men must comprehend they are slaves in a woman's world....a world HE BUILT FOR HER
If you would help a women no questions asked you are a moronic faggot
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The Slave's Happiness. Excerpt from Esthar Villar's "The Manipulated man"
The lemon-colored MG skids across the road and the woman driver brings it to a somewhat uncertain halt. She gets out and finds her front Tyre flat. Without wasting a moment she prepares for the repair: she looks towards the passing cars as if expecting someone. Recognizing this standard international sign of woman in distress ('weak female let down by male technology'), an estate car draws up. The driver sees what is wrong at a glance and says comfortingly: 'Don't worry. We'll fix that in a jiffy.' To prove his determination, he asks for her jack. He does not ask if she is capable of changing the wheel herself because he knows - she is about thirty, smartly dressed and made-up - that she is not. Since she cannot find her jack, he fetches his own, together with his remaining tools. Five minutes later the job is done and the punctured wheel stowed away in its appropriate place. His hands are covered in oil. She offers him an embroidered handkerchief which he politely refuses; he has a rag for such occasions in his tool box. The woman thanks him profusely, apologizing for her 'typically feminine' awkwardness. She might have been there till dusk, she says, had he not stopped. He makes no reply but, as she gets back into the car, gallantly shuts the door for her. Through the wound-down window he advises her to get a new tire at once and she promises to get her garage man to see to it that very evening. Then she drives off.
As the man collects his tools and goes back to his own car, he wishes he could wash his hands. His shoes - he has been standing in the mud while changing the wheel - are no longer as clean as they should be (he is a sales representative). What is more, he will have to hurry to reach his next customer in time. As he starts the engine he thinks, 'Women! Each is as stupid as the other,' and seriously wonders what she would have done if he had not been there to help. He puts his foot on the accelerator and drives off - faster than usual. There is the delay to make up. After a while he starts to hum quietly to himself. In a way he is feeling happy.
Almost any man would have behaved in the same manner - and so would most women. Without thinking, simply because man is man and women are so different from them, a woman will make use of a man whenever there is an opportunity. What else could the woman have done when her car broke down? She has been taught to get a man to help. Thanks to his knowledge, he was able to change the wheel quickly - and at no cost to herself. True, he ruined his clothes, put his business in jeopardy and endangered his own life by driving too fast afterwards. Had he found something else wrong with her car, however, he would have mended that too. That is what his knowledge of cars is for. Why should a woman learn to mend punctures when the opposite sex (half the world's population) are able and willing to do it for them?
Women let men work for them, think for them and take on their responsibilities - in fact, they exploit them. Yes, since men are strong, intelligent and imaginative, while women are weak, unimaginative and stupid why isn't it men who exploit women?
Could it be that strength, intelligence and imagination are not prerequisites for power but merely qualifications for slavery? Could it be that the world is not being ruled by experts but by things who are not fit for anything else - by women? And if this so, how do women manage it that their victims do not feel themselves cheated and humiliated, but rather believe themselves to be what they are least of all - masters of the universe? How do they, women, manage to instil into men this sense of pride and of superiority which inspires them to ever greater achievements?
If you would help a women no questions asked you are a moronic faggot
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The Slave's Happiness. Excerpt from Esthar Villar's "The Manipulated man"
The lemon-colored MG skids across the road and the woman driver brings it to a somewhat uncertain halt. She gets out and finds her front Tyre flat. Without wasting a moment she prepares for the repair: she looks towards the passing cars as if expecting someone. Recognizing this standard international sign of woman in distress ('weak female let down by male technology'), an estate car draws up. The driver sees what is wrong at a glance and says comfortingly: 'Don't worry. We'll fix that in a jiffy.' To prove his determination, he asks for her jack. He does not ask if she is capable of changing the wheel herself because he knows - she is about thirty, smartly dressed and made-up - that she is not. Since she cannot find her jack, he fetches his own, together with his remaining tools. Five minutes later the job is done and the punctured wheel stowed away in its appropriate place. His hands are covered in oil. She offers him an embroidered handkerchief which he politely refuses; he has a rag for such occasions in his tool box. The woman thanks him profusely, apologizing for her 'typically feminine' awkwardness. She might have been there till dusk, she says, had he not stopped. He makes no reply but, as she gets back into the car, gallantly shuts the door for her. Through the wound-down window he advises her to get a new tire at once and she promises to get her garage man to see to it that very evening. Then she drives off.
As the man collects his tools and goes back to his own car, he wishes he could wash his hands. His shoes - he has been standing in the mud while changing the wheel - are no longer as clean as they should be (he is a sales representative). What is more, he will have to hurry to reach his next customer in time. As he starts the engine he thinks, 'Women! Each is as stupid as the other,' and seriously wonders what she would have done if he had not been there to help. He puts his foot on the accelerator and drives off - faster than usual. There is the delay to make up. After a while he starts to hum quietly to himself. In a way he is feeling happy.
Almost any man would have behaved in the same manner - and so would most women. Without thinking, simply because man is man and women are so different from them, a woman will make use of a man whenever there is an opportunity. What else could the woman have done when her car broke down? She has been taught to get a man to help. Thanks to his knowledge, he was able to change the wheel quickly - and at no cost to herself. True, he ruined his clothes, put his business in jeopardy and endangered his own life by driving too fast afterwards. Had he found something else wrong with her car, however, he would have mended that too. That is what his knowledge of cars is for. Why should a woman learn to mend punctures when the opposite sex (half the world's population) are able and willing to do it for them?
Women let men work for them, think for them and take on their responsibilities - in fact, they exploit them. Yes, since men are strong, intelligent and imaginative, while women are weak, unimaginative and stupid why isn't it men who exploit women?
Could it be that strength, intelligence and imagination are not prerequisites for power but merely qualifications for slavery? Could it be that the world is not being ruled by experts but by things who are not fit for anything else - by women? And if this so, how do women manage it that their victims do not feel themselves cheated and humiliated, but rather believe themselves to be what they are least of all - masters of the universe? How do they, women, manage to instil into men this sense of pride and of superiority which inspires them to ever greater achievements?
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women don't have to take any responsibility at all for their lives, not for jack****!, they don't need to do as much work to make themselves attractive, but men do, thats what i hate about this
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you sound lie a very simple person..llolhandle said:
No need to overcomplicate things that don't matter.DonGorgon said:
I don't believe it is tougher for men. But even if I did, being reminded of it doesn't help my game whatsoever. Does it help yours? When I meet a cool girl at a party I'm gonna try to get with her. I'm not gonna think about how "oh she gets it easier than me" because it's irrelevant.
I find this site the best men's site so far- better than AskMen, because this delves in deeper.
You know the advice I got before regarding feelings of rejection/insecurity/undesirability to women was to get a job...the same soulless empty advice...and empty because what about all those young hot women in the job you're doing now? Its all hot this, hot that...yeah, just what you need to get out of this funk.
I am sensing that women who dish out the 'get a job' and 'do something with your life' platitudes to insecure men are doing it to be condescending because they aren't attracted to them. I'm just saying that I have taken on board other peoples' advice before and it got me in a dead-end.
You know the advice I got before regarding feelings of rejection/insecurity/undesirability to women was to get a job...the same soulless empty advice...and empty because what about all those young hot women in the job you're doing now? Its all hot this, hot that...yeah, just what you need to get out of this funk.
I am sensing that women who dish out the 'get a job' and 'do something with your life' platitudes to insecure men are doing it to be condescending because they aren't attracted to them. I'm just saying that I have taken on board other peoples' advice before and it got me in a dead-end.
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its not irrelevant .. it directly effects the power balance in mating relationships.. i.e. the women has more options and hence more power and hence will be able to manipulate men men for her own gain..
Also its accepted for a girl to publicly comment on a guy's appearance. On this 'Take Me Out' show that has been on, the girls make the male equivalent of a guy commenting on a girl's weight. The girl gets a huddle from her girlfriends if she is insulted and the guy's the b&@tard. Where's the guy's support if he is insulted?Ihateinitiatingalot7 said:
Is a good-looking guy merely a prize to a girl?
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Probably.sambwoy said:
Back to the rejection thing, despite their high standards, women are still cowards who take the path of least resistance (ie minimal rejection) to date men. This is why they prefer social circle. It's in her comfort zone, and she's never going to receive a cruel rejection. At worst, she will remain an orbiter to a social circle guy that friendzones her (ie is friendly and polite but won't ask her out).
Let women do cold approaches and see how it feels. Of course, even then, uninterested men will likely be polite. She's not gonna be told "F off loser" or be called a "creeper" because she's solo and not hot. She's not gonna face a physical confrontation if she approaches someone who is taken.
An attractive female coworker (HB7.5) honestly told me at a party that "I wish I had balls like you, Mike" when she saw me cold approaching, talking, and dancing with random women.
Hotter looking women always reject ugly men. Why is this such a new phenomenon to you?DonGorgon said:
Who cares about the other guys at your work.
Why would you care about what is happening to other guys?
You should be focusing on yourself.........only
Making excuses for yourself perhaps?
Some people will always have it better than others. That's just the way life works.
Instead of complaining and crying about it, you should make your own situation better.
Women have it better (boo hoo hoo...sniffle sniffle)
A true DJ doesn't care about this, he makes things happen
He doesn't care about what is happening to other men.
He also won't whine about women having it better, because he doesn't care
He is able to reject women because he can. He doesn't have to settle for low value women
But if he gets rejected then he doesn't care, because there is always more women he can obtain.