On American Women

[STR8UP]

I was reading roissy's latest blog post about how the men of the world in general view American women.

I don't know where this poster is from, but it's interesting to hear it right from the horse's mouth:

Where I come from, the views on American women are rather stereotypical, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not right. If anything, I have yet to meet one who doesn’t match most or all of them. Keep in mind that these are American exchange students.

1. Too ****ing loud. Seriously. Everyone I know has at least once experienced the joy of sitting in a restaurant, having a nice chat with friends, and the whole thing being interrupted with “OH MY GOD” followed by stream-of-consciousness bull**** from across the room. My theory is that since most American women talk a lot but say nothing, they add both quantity and volume to their speech so people with lesser bull**** detectors won’t notice that she has been going on about nothing for what seems like an eternity.

2. Whorish. Easy. Absolutely not marriage material. Over here we have a distinction between girls: Those you marry and those you have fun with. Even the slightest suggestion of American women falling into the former category would be met with ridicule and laughter.

3. Man-like. Lacking in modesty. I’m sure that (sadly) the **** American women do no longer shocks American men that much, but coming from a culture where women are more reserved, the **** they do and say is just cringe-worthy.

4. Did you notice the overall theme? A complete and utter lack of shame, modesty and humility. At first it seems like a breath of fresh air compared to local girls, but damn does it get tiresome and annoying in no time. You could never brag about dating an American girl here. Your parents would be dismayed at best, and even your friends would at most give you the congratulatory “at least she’s putting out” slap on the back. But bringing her along to social events with locals? You’d have to be out of your ****ing mind, unless you want to experience a lethal dose of awkwardness. It would probably be the first recorded case of someone dying from shame. And I don’t mean suicide, I mean dropping dead after a massive muscle spasm from cringing too much.

Contrast this to the fact that American men are almost universally LOVED by women the world over, and it becomes readily apparent just how undesirable American women are when it comes to the mating game. And this is what American men have to deal with every day.

Seriously.....we're fishing in a pond that has been polluted with the feminist entitlement mentality that has turned our women into a bunch of loud mouthed men with t!ts.

I'm sure this thread will turn into the usual circle-jerk of halfway reformed AFC's defending the fact that there are indeed TWO decent women in each and every state of the Union, but I would like to engage in a REAL discussion about the HUUUUUUGE disparity between the REST of the world's attitude toward American women vs. American men insofar as the mating game is concerned.

As American men we have little means of comparison, unless we happen to visit foreign lands (which I have).

It seems to me that men from other countries might be a more accurate gauge of the quality of our women we are stuck with.

Oh yea, see my post at 7:05pm. I've said it here many times before, but that's my plan. Ride out the next few years dealing with this Ameritrash, then hop the pond to find a nice, FEMININE woman.

Frankly, I can't wait.

 

[Jitterbug]

American women have the worst reputation around the world as LTR/wife materials. Europe, Latin America, Asia, Africa etc. no guy wants to marry an American woman. Remember this is about stereotypes and reputation. It may be different for individuals.

Not sure about American men being loved universally, but you guys don't have such a bad rep.

 

[Aenigma]

I'm with you buddy. I'm sick of ball busting *****es here in America. Nothing is good enough for the pretty ones- its a combination of both feminism, ****ty media portrayals/role models, and too many betas spoiling them that leads to this toxic entitled attitude.

This, in combination with unfair legal system that financially cripples men with unjust levels of alimony, child support, and property deprivation in event of a divorce makes marriage an idiotic proposition in the US.

If you want a family one day, and not just some Ameri-skank for sex, your best bet is to set up a finanicial system that allows you to live in a country in which the law respects your position as patriarch of your family while simultaenously allows you to protect your hard earned assets from the potential prediations of an amoral manipulative parasite.

The last thing I want to do is work hard for some many years only to have it all stolen away from me by some bytch who decides she wants sole custody of the children and all my shyt because, for whatever reason, I don't make her vag tingle anymore.

 

[guru1000]

I agree.

But you don't need to step out of the country to find a suitable candidate. Focus on women who have either immigrated or are first born here. These women for the most part were raised with traditional values and have the understanding of appropriate gender roles. Scoop them up young before their minds are corrupted by their American girlfriends.

 

[Aenigma]

I agree.

But you don't need to step out of the country to find a suitable candidate. Focus on women who have either immigrated or are first born here. These women for the most part were raised with traditional values and have the understanding of appropriate gender roles. Scoop them up young before their minds are corrupted by their American girlfriends.

Foreign women in America is like putting fresh food in a dirty dish- eventually it spoils. -Pook

The vast majority of women aren't angels, they're corruptable beings; and divorce laws give them a huge amount of legal power over the men they're married to- and you know what Lord Acton said about power. It corrupts.

 

[STR8UP]

I agree.

But you don't need to step out of the country to find a suitable candidate. Focus on women who have either immigrated or are first born here. These women for the most part were raised with traditional values and have the understanding of appropriate gender roles. Scoop them up young before their minds are corrupted by their American girlfriends.

My longest relationship was with a hot 21 yr old Filipina who was born in the Philippines. Best relationship I ever had while it lasted, but it ended typical American style with her cheating on me.

Second best was with a 2nd generation Cuban. That one might have actually worked out had I met her at a different point in my life.

Bottom line- this is like saying that you should play the casino across the street with 1-5 odds as opposed to the one across town with 10-1 odds.

Hey, if I happen to find the diamond in the rough 'round these parts....great. But I know the odds are stacked against me for FINDING a decent woman, let alone KEEPING her, so I will stick to my plan.

 

[trent81]

I am not American. I wasn't born here. I will tell you this; We see American women as something you fuvk. You should never marry an American. 65 percent divorce rate doesn't speak for itself?

 

[trent81]

She divorces, get's half. Then she gets money for kids. Then, she brings kids like it's a petting zoo once a week. No thanks. I am going back home once I get my ****t together and find me something a little better. It's bad everywhere now, but I want a woman that is feminine and sincere.

 

[Lioric]

Agreed almost completely. But what makes you think American men are so damn alpha?

Do you think everybody is enlightened as you guys are? Most of them are puppets, even the toughest American guy is basically designed to put up with all the sh!t American women are putting up every day.

I live here and all my friends are American, and all of them are sadly AFCs... Whenever we pick up this argument, they shut me up and treat me like a caveman with a high libido and no indulgence for women. Ironically, I am accused of "worshipping women" around here...

 

[Son of anarchy]

And you think that all that stuff is only related to american women? u wont find almosto any difference in western europe too once you're not anymore just a tourist.
Feminism and media worked the same,oh sorry i meant american media worked the same since we have the same movies in theaters.

 

[mrRuckus]

even the toughest American guy is basically designed to put up with all the sh!t American women are putting up every day.

And they were taught it being raised by american women. The empire is crumbling. There's no stopping this cycle. The only hope you have is on the individual level.

 

[azanon]

I guess you just have to know where to look/where to live. We have a honey hole of wholesome, attractive, rich family/educated, southern values women here in LR, AR. The best places to look here are the wealthy churches (whether you're religious are not). Your local Barnes and Nobles works sometimes too (again, here in Southern LR, AR).

If you're in, say NY or Miami, and your main target area is your local pub, then I can completely understand the OP's generalization. Because I don't live in those places, I don't have a great suggestion for those areas. But you can bet your ass if I was single and lived there, I'd figure it out.

There's so many things in life where you can either 1. make excuses and have pity parties or 2. monitor and adjust. I love asking myself, "How can I get what I want in the situation I'm in?". It's extremely rare that I draw blanks. This issue would be no exception.

 

[Rounder]

So what's the desire/attraction for the American male? Especially if most men are AFCs and are too weak to go after what they want?

Why do foreign women want American men? Is there a stereotype THEY are seeking? I would assume they don't know what most men in America are like. If they DID know would their desire change?

 

[jophil28]

I guess you just have to know where to look/where to live. We have a honey hole of wholesome, attractive, rich family/educated, southern values women here in LR, AR. The best places to look here are the wealthy churches (whether you're religious are not). Your local Barnes and Nobles works sometimes too (again, here in Southern LR, AR).

I agree.

I spent two year at UNC a long while ago, and as the 'token Aussie" on campus, I slashed my way through quite a selection of your fine wholesome southern belles.
They do indeed have a different 'way' about them down there.

 

[samspade]

So what's the desire/attraction for the American male? Especially if most men are AFCs and are too weak to go after what they want?

Why do foreign women want American men? Is there a stereotype THEY are seeking? I would assume they don't know what most men in America are like. If they DID know would their desire change?

In some countries, even modern ones, old sexual mores still exist, including the notion that a man cheats, plain and simple, with little consequence. A woman is more likely to be ostracized (or at least labeled a "slvt") if she behaves similarly. I'm guessing that for all the AFC-ness of American men, foreign women still see them as a little more dedicated and serious, and yes, "sweet." [shudders.]

Nevertheless, I remember reading a few years ago an article about female Brazilian expats in New York that was in the NY Times (grain of salt alert!). The article focused on how flabbergasted Brazilian chicks were with the lack of balls on American men when it came to asking them out or making a move. Bear in mind that a Brazilian chick is liable to make out with you within five minutes of meeting you. But I think it had a point. So many American men are beaten down by the obnoxious liberal feminati that the majority of them must seem like puppy dogs to foreign chicks. On the plus side, these women are far more tolerant, and willing to "prop up" even an AFC so that he might remember what it feels like to be a man.

There is definitely a symbiosis - exoticism meets exoticism. And in extreme cases, it's loser AFC men trading passports for marriage and sex with impoverished ghetto prostitutes.

I've dated some foreign chicks, and I'm not ashamed to admit (on Sosuave, anyway) that an entertaining bonus is the jealousy and contempt that overwhelms bittchy American chicks when they realize the arm of one more prime American male has been outsourced. Hopefully, it will teach them to work harder...but that will take generations to fix, we'll probably die in a nuclear war first.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Part of my job is to travel. I'm in Europe (Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and France) generally twice a year. And I can say I've noticed definite shifts in demeanor among women there in contrast to American women. I'm not sure it's necessarily an ethnic issue, but certainly a cultural one. I've been to Aruba and Panama this year as well and from a Latin perspective I don't see these women as any more reserved than American women, however they have a definite masculine expectation for their Men. A Man has to live up to being a Man in Panamanian culture.

And I think that the double standard guys will run into in pointing out "how American women are" is that they'll be accused of not being Man enough to handle them. You'll get the standard "powerful women are a threat to men's egos" line. So the Catch 22 becomes a guy being dominant enough to master her as the abuser and the one pointing out her flaws being the whiney b!tch who needs to man-up.

I like Pooks dirty dish analogy, but it doesn't go far enough. It's not America in particular that's the problem, it's global westernization of other cultures that's spreading and part of that is the Matrix.

 

[azanon]

What RT's post reminded me of is simply the fact that instilling a lot of DJ principles into your relationship will go a long way towards molding a woman into a form that she needs to be in. If you're dating them young enough, it's definitely not too late to formulate some healthy changes in them. In contrast, if you act/behave/make decisions in an AFC way, then you have every reason to expect to be treated harshly in a typical American woman fashion.

For better or for worse, I have a very centric/almost narcissistic mindset where I think of the world as "me", and everything else is something I have considerable power over to manipulate or control. On the surface, that sounds bad, but if you really think about it, if you truly believe you can change and affect most everything - including "American women" - , you might be surprised just how far you can actually take that.

In so many cases, you'll end up being the manipulator, or the manipulated. In a relationship, that power struggle is inevitable - I suspect in most every country. Simply decide that you'll never lose it. If you do or you are losing that struggle in a relationship, send that woman packing, and don't forget to self-analyze and figure out what you did wrong!

 

[STR8UP]

Why are American men considered desirable by foreign women?

The perception of Wealth/Power/Status.

Wow, what a revelation!

Another thing. An AFC is a LOT less likely to act like a pu$$y when he is in the presence of a feminine woman.

If an AFC gets a chick who fawns on him like a Hollywood leading man, he assumes more of a natural masculine role. Men don't WANT to be the way they are here in the states these days, it's just that they are afraid of being anything else because they think their supply of pu$$y will dry up if they grow a pair of balls and put these b!tches in their place.

Why do American women have the majority of American men on their knees? Because they are ball busting b!tches. They don't WANT to be fem. Our culture has taught them that they need to be "equal" to men. They don't realize that it is precisely this that makes BOTH sexes unhappy

But I think it had a point. So many American men are beaten down by the obnoxious liberal feminati that the majority of them must seem like puppy dogs to foreign chicks. On the plus side, these women are far more tolerant, and willing to "prop up" even an AFC so that he might remember what it feels like to be a man.

Couple of interesting points.

This "obnoxious liberal feminati" is a strong, powerful force. If most women think this way today, you have the 80/20 hookup culture where a 20% minority of men are banging everything, including the wives and g/f's of the other 80% of men (who feed off the scraps). And make no mistake about it....that's EXACTLY where we are at today.

The pendulum has swung to the far left and the fabric is beginning to come apart at the seams, but it's going to take a considerable amount of time before we get back to something that resembles a "marriage/relationship" friendly society.

And about the women "propping men up".....I think it has a lot to do with the fact that women from these cultures are more tolerant of what in our culture would be considered AFC or beta behavior. In America women throw sh!t tests at us left and right because they are seeking to mate with the few men who are "worthy".

Other places in the world where women aren't trying to fight their feminine side there is a more equitable matching system. Not that they aren't qualifying men, but their tolerance levels are much lower.

"Every strong woman needs a stronger man."

If you have a bunch of masculinized women running around they are naturally going to be looking for even MORE masculine men. And this isn't so much the case in other cultures.

 

[samspade]

And I think that the double standard guys will run into in pointing out "how American women are" is that they'll be accused of not being Man enough to handle them. You'll get the standard "powerful women are a threat to men's egos" line. So the Catch 22 becomes a guy being dominant enough to master her as the abuser and the one pointing out her flaws being the whiney b!tch who needs to man-up.

This is why I honestly believe the best option for American men is not to complain about American women, but to pursue and enjoy foreign women in a quiet and dignified manner. Perhaps when enough American women are on the outside looking in, they'll shift their attitudes. In the meantime, let them complain.

A simple economic analogy... If there's only one market in the neighborhood that sells fruit, it can get away with selling rotten produce. Let's say a big, imposing new one moves in and sells ripe, delicious apples. I don't care how "mom and pop" the old one was or how un-American I am, I'm buying tasty fruit. The old one can adjust if it wants my money, but now it's going to have to work twice as hard to pry me away.

Unfortunately, there will always be loyal suckers who believe that it's more noble to pay more for crap from a "mom and pop" store and keep the conceit alive. And people will always be shamed for getting the best quality at the best price from a large retailer.

(For the record, I don't like to be in large stores, but you get the idea. And I digress.)

 

[Bible_Belt]

loud. ... Whorish. Easy. ... Lacking in modesty. ... Did you notice the overall theme? A complete and utter lack of shame, modesty and humility.


That sounds like all of my exes. And any girl I would date in the future. I don't want the good girl. They are boring. I want the porn star, the stripper, the sex fiend. Shame and modesty are no fun at all. All of the same guys who want shame and modesty in a woman will want her to act the opposite way for them...but never for anyone else before them...which is unrealistic. Unless you never want anything more than occasional missionary-style in the dark under the covers after you have been a good boy all day...a little whorishness is a good thing.