On American Women

[Luthor Rex]

This story is a salutory reminder to all you evol psych 'scientists' who simply believe that male status and wealth will always "make her wet".
This story is a powerful example of the power of nurture over nature.

Count one for the behaviorists.
Mom and God are winning.

I think you're jumping to conclusions about this girl. Maybe she's a "good girl" or maybe she's not. We'll only know if Vlad keeps seeing her, doesn't get banned because he won't post his age, and he posts updates about her.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

I think you're jumping to conclusions about this girl. Maybe she's a "good girl" or maybe she's not. We'll only know if Vlad keeps seeing her, doesn't get banned because he won't post his age, and he posts updates about her.

Alright, I posted my age. I would like to keep posting my experiences with this girl and get everybody's feedback to help me deal with her. Rollo, sorry I was a prick about the age thing.

Now as for the girl, she called me tonight on her way to church. She goes to Church Saturday night AND Sunday morning. This is VERY weird for me, because I am pretty much Atheist but I told her I believe and I'm Christian and all that stuff. I have been to church twice in my life.

She drives 2 hours to get to the church. She stays at a friends house close to the church.

She said she wants to see me on her way back. I told her to come to my house. She said NO she can't come to my house. She wasn't sure where we could meet so she is going to call me sometime during the day and we will decide where to meet up.

I think she will be with her hot friend so I will get to meet her too.

 

[STR8UP]

Alright, I posted my age. I would like to keep posting my experiences with this girl and get everybody's feedback to help me deal with her. Rollo, sorry I was a prick about the age thing.

Now as for the girl, she called me tonight on her way to church. She goes to Church Saturday night AND Sunday morning. This is VERY weird for me, because I am pretty much Atheist but I told her I believe and I'm Christian and all that stuff. I have been to church twice in my life.

She drives 2 hours to get to the church. She stays at a friends house close to the church.

She said she wants to see me on her way back. I told her to come to my house. She said NO she can't come to my house. She wasn't sure where we could meet so she is going to call me sometime during the day and we will decide where to meet up.

I think she will be with her hot friend so I will get to meet her too.

1) You are an ATHIEST who is considering attending church services to get some pu$$y?

2) This chick is either a closet wh0re or a prude. I wouldn't want either one.

Contrary to popular belief, there is NO SUCH THING as a "good girl" vs the "*****". Every woman has both in her, You start getting into these "good" girls who go to church and all, and you start to compromise your core beliefs just because she SEEMS like she hasn't sucked off the football team.

It's not worth compromising your beliefs. So you're gonna "pretend" to love a god you don't even believe in just to have a woman in your life who seems willing to play the traditional role?

Not saying it's gonna happen, but you would feel like a total fool if you were to play this chick's game just to find out she was a fraud.

As with pretty much everything in life, the sweet spot lies in the middle. I would rather date a stripper than a church girl. I'm dead serious. But when it comes down to it chances are, the dateable women are neither porn stars nor devout christians.

Do as you wish, but personally, I would NEVER sit around begging for a first kiss from a hardcore religious wackjob. She has your balls in her hand. What are you going to do about that?

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

1) You are an ATHIEST who is considering attending church services to get some pu$$y?

2) This chick is either a closet wh0re or a prude. I wouldn't want either one.

Contrary to popular belief, there is NO SUCH THING as a "good girl" vs the "*****". Every woman has both in her, You start getting into these "good" girls who go to church and all, and you start to compromise your core beliefs just because she SEEMS like she hasn't sucked off the football team.

It's not worth compromising your beliefs. So you're gonna "pretend" to love a god you don't even believe in just to have a woman in your life who seems willing to play the traditional role?

Not saying it's gonna happen, but you would feel like a total fool if you were to play this chick's game just to find out she was a fraud.

As with pretty much everything in life, the sweet spot lies in the middle. I would rather date a stripper than a church girl. I'm dead serious. But when it comes down to it chances are, the dateable women are neither porn stars nor devout christians.

Do as you wish, but personally, I would NEVER sit around begging for a first kiss from a hardcore religious wackjob. She has your balls in her hand. What are you going to do about that?

I'm not going to join her church. We already settled that. I'm going with Jophils advice that I will tell her I may do it when we are in a "relationship".

Here is what I don't see. I don't see you leading with this woman. I don't see any ****y responses to her bullshiit satements "you can't kiss me". I don't see you saying back, "Girl please, you are dying for me to kiss you, if your good I might let you kiss me on the cheek". I don't see you challenging her, upsetting her, taking her on an emotional rollercoaster. I don't see any balls at all.

Then, on the next date I will try and kiss her again. At that point I will break out the ****y and funny like Warrior stated.

 

[ketostix]

1) You are an ATHIEST who is considering attending church services to get some pu$$y?

2) This chick is either a closet wh0re or a prude. I wouldn't want either one.

Contrary to popular belief, there is NO SUCH THING as a "good girl" vs the "*****". Every woman has both in her, You start getting into these "good" girls who go to church and all, and you start to compromise your core beliefs just because she SEEMS like she hasn't sucked off the football team.

It's not worth compromising your beliefs. So you're gonna "pretend" to love a god you don't even believe in just to have a woman in your life who seems willing to play the traditional role?

Not saying it's gonna happen, but you would feel like a total fool if you were to play this chick's game just to find out she was a fraud.

As with pretty much everything in life, the sweet spot lies in the middle. I would rather date a stripper than a church girl. I'm dead serious. But when it comes down to it chances are, the dateable women are neither porn stars nor devout christians.

Do as you wish, but personally, I would NEVER sit around begging for a first kiss from a hardcore religious wackjob. She has your balls in her hand. What are you going to do about that?

Str8up your premise seems to be that every church girl is a fraud and a wacko or a prude. But the problem with your logic here is you said yourself that foreign women are a much better choice. I don't know how you can rationalize that foreign women can somehow be less of wh0res but a woman who is trying to follow non-whorish religious principles can't be as well. On top of all that this girl in question is foreign.

I have seen the fraud church girls and I've seen the ones that were truely holding out for a commited relationship. It really isn't that hard to tell as you'd think. I'm not crazy about dealing religious girls but if you are looking for committed relationship I wouldn't dismiss all of them.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Usually I would disagree with you STR8up but on this one you have a point. This is a Brazilian girl we're talking about, sex to them is like taking a piss, they do it without thinking and almost twice a day. Watch this girl during the 'carnival' months and she'll change like a dog in heat. The culture is not prudish... and the most pristine Brazilian women 'expel' their demons during carnival in the form of drugs, alcohol and wild sex... don't believe me? Take a short trip there and find out for yourself. I couldn't stay there, to be honest... the culture is waaaay too crazy.

My girlfriend's best friend is 20, still a virgin, doesn't smoke and doesn't drink. She's Mexican. You likely won't find that in Brazil unless you travel far south into the dutch areas.

Vlad: you've already lost this chick, sorry man but game in Brazil is completely unneccessary and she's gonna drop you like a hot potato if you don't make your move by the next date. That is RULE 1 in Brazil... you must have sex on the first date to get a second one... its crazy I know but thats what the girls are like there... at the very least you need to make out once with her. I'm sure she's lumping you into the friend zone as we speak.

She doesn't put out on the first date, so you say I am in the friendzone. Is this post a joke?

I don't know if Rollo deleted my post, but I went for the kiss after the date. She hugged me and said she can't kiss me because of her church.

What was I supposed to do, put her in a headlock and force her to kiss me?

As for the rest of your post, I'm taking it with a huge grain of salt beause you are trying to generalize an entire country of Brazilian women being exactly the same.

Girls in America have sex like taking a piss too. But they aren't all like that as you are implying about Brazil.

I think she might be one of those Born Again types so I don't think she is faking being a prude. BUT, I can sense she has a wild side that maybe I can bring out. I don't mind her being a prude. I want to date a girl who doesn't put out on the first or second date. I don't think I ever have dated one like that. I'm going to take it slow with this one.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

I lived in Brazil, yes I'm generalizing all Brazilian women and no this post is no fvcking joke. You have to live there to understand I suppose.

If she's Brazillian she's no prude. I would be willing to bet some serious $$$ on this.


lol.... Vlad, I met my bestfriend from Brazil on the SS forum strangely enough. He hasn't come here in 6 years but trust me pal there is no such thing as a prudish Brazilian. Anyway forget her and just take a trip down to Brazil. I came home every single day with a pocket full of phone numbers... Infact Raf and I had competitions to see who could get more. She is pulling one over on you, guarnteed this girl has had her share of d1ck since she was 13. Newsflash, ALL GIRLS in Brazil are Church nuts.... the whole country is addicted to church/christianity... you would be VERY hard pressed to find a girl in Brazil that DOESN'T attend church.

Interesting.

I suppose she could be acting like a super prude because she wants someone to marry her.

I will see what happens on the next date.

 

[samspade]

Are you in Brazil or is she in the US? (I'm a little confused.)

I agree with fuzzx. There is no need to waste time on one girl in Brazil when there are millions that can be had at the drop of a hat. It's COMPLETELY different down there, not only because women will shag you right away, but also because they will latch onto you and call you 'namorado' right after that (be careful if that's not what you want).

And as for the religious aspect, it's 99% catholic there. But there is a HUGE difference between Catholics in Brazil and Bible-banging Protestants in Middle America. There is no "taboo" about casual or premarital sex. The term "church nut" does not apply, unless she wears a habit.

 

[STR8UP]

Str8up your premise seems to be that every church girl is a fraud and a wacko or a prude.

Religion is a form of mind control. Most of the people in church are either there because they grew up in a highly religious family and never bothered to question what they were told, or they are looking to god to fill a hole in their life.

Either way, a chick that tells you that she can't kiss you because of her church is fukked in the head. She's either playing the good girl role, pretending to be chaste so she looks like a "catch" for a gullible man, or she's really that wacked to think that jesus is going to send her to hell for a peck on the lips.

It's an ILLUSION.

But the problem with your logic here is you said yourself that foreign women are a much better choice. I don't know how you can rationalize that foreign women can somehow be less of wh0res but a woman who is trying to follow non-whorish religious principles can't be as well. On top of all that this girl in question is foreign.

I never said foreign women are "less of wh0res", I said they are more feminine.

To be honest with you I don't care that much about a chick's past. It's "don't ask don't tell" for me.

How many dudes has she slept with? Most guys think three or less is acceptable. What's the difference between three and five? Or eight? Is she telling you truth, or telling you what you want to hear?

See how stupid it is to get caught up in that game?

I think she might be one of those Born Again types so I don't think she is faking being a prude. BUT, I can sense she has a wild side that maybe I can bring out. I don't mind her being a prude. I want to date a girl who doesn't put out on the first or second date. I don't think I ever have dated one like that. I'm going to take it slow with this one.

Ohhhh...so she's a REFORMED wh0re......

Do as you wish, but personally I would feel like a chump sitting around waiting for a chick to kiss me after she has decided that she wants to put her promiscuity behind her.

I'm not trying to bash you here. I just think you need to take a step back and ask yourself if she's REALLY what she is making herself out to be.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Religion is a form of mind control. Most of the people in church are either there because they grew up in a highly religious family and never bothered to question what they were told, or they are looking to god to fill a hole in their life.

Either way, a chick that tells you that she can't kiss you because of her church is fukked in the head. She's either playing the good girl role, pretending to be chaste so she looks like a "catch" for a gullible man, or she's really that wacked to think that jesus is going to send her to hell for a peck on the lips.

It's an ILLUSION.



I never said foreign women are "less of wh0res", I said they are more feminine.

To be honest with you I don't care that much about a chick's past. It's "don't ask don't tell" for me.

How many dudes has she slept with? Most guys think three or less is acceptable. What's the difference between three and five? Or eight? Is she telling you truth, or telling you what you want to hear?

See how stupid it is to get caught up in that game?



Ohhhh...so she's a REFORMED wh0re......

Do as you wish, but personally I would feel like a chump sitting around waiting for a chick to kiss me after she has decided that she wants to put her promiscuity behind her.

I'm not trying to bash you here. I just think you need to take a step back and ask yourself if she's REALLY what she is making herself out to be.

We have been on 1 date. Why so quick to judge her as a "reformed wh0re" or a nutcase?

MY GOD, she didn't suck my d!ck on the first date. She must be nuts! I must be in the friend zone now!

She is here in the States for another 10 months. Can I get a second date before we judge the girl?

I'm starting to wonder if the good girl routine is just an act to have me see her as wife material.
Maybe the family she lives with is super religious, and she has to act that way so they will accept her and let her live there.

I bet that's the case because there are tons of bible thumpers in my area.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Not like Brazil amigo... nothing like Brazil. The ratio of girls to guys is 10 to 1... and half the men are gay...

I lived in Brazil, yes I'm generalizing all Brazilian women and no this post is no fvcking joke. You have to live there to understand I suppose.

If she's Brazillian she's no prude. I would be willing to bet some serious $$$ on this.


lol.... Vlad, I met my bestfriend from Brazil on the SS forum strangely enough. He hasn't come here in 6 years but trust me pal there is no such thing as a prudish Brazilian. Anyway forget her and just take a trip down to Brazil. I came home every single day with a pocket full of phone numbers... Infact Raf and I had competitions to see who could get more. She is pulling one over on you, guarnteed this girl has had her share of d1ck since she was 13. Newsflash, ALL GIRLS in Brazil are Church nuts.... the whole country is addicted to church/christianity... you would be VERY hard pressed to find a girl in Brazil that DOESN'T attend church. Life in Brazil is fvcking crazy, it is nothing like life in America.... its like being on another planet... a sex planet... think Barberella and you'd have a pretty good picture of what its like there. The whole country is hyper sexual and if you aren't getting laid then you are retarded... I had both men and women propositioning me for sex on a regular basis. You have to live there to understand it. Really.... All Brazilians think about is sex and the beach... I guarntee you've already thought to yourself... geez this girl is friendly in a touchy feely sort of way...

www.globaltesol.com <-- How I did it. ( I made between $25 and $50 per hour btw)

Ask this girl what she does during 'carnival' and I think you will be surprised.

I asked her about Carnival, she says she never goes. She knew what goes on there and she talked like it's nasty.

She called me on her way back from Church tonight. I think she really is a good church girl. It's not an act. She told me her parents converted when she was 10 years old. She told me her father wants to talk to me. She is still trying to get me to go to her church before she can kiss me.

I have had my red flag detector out all this time and she keeps passing the test.

This girl is NOT the usual Brazilian slut. She is different and maybe she is a keeper.

 

[Nutz]

I think the crux of this discussion is looking for love in all the wrong places. Guru has it spot on. Depending on WHERE or how you meet a woman is a big factor on how "feminine" she is and how she'll treat you. In my experience I can't say MOST or ALL women in America are how STR8UP describes.

This is where QUALIFYING comes in. What kinds of friends does she have? What are her goals? What is she like when she doesn't get her way? Is she close to her family? Is she responsible? Is she a heavy drinker? DOES SHE SMOKE? DOES SHE DO DRUGS!?

IS SHE SUBMISSIVE?

I've met all kinds. I rarely deal with women who disrespect me. If they do there is no hesitation kicking them to the curb. I've weighed being disrespected in favor of getting pu$$y and you know what? My integrity wins out everytime. It's a matter of what you're willing to put up with. If you're b!tching about how a HB10 is giving you a stadium sized ball busting CUT HER OFF. Find and qualify a 7 or 8 who'll treat you like a king. Find a HB 10 and MAKE HER earn your respect.

It's easier to cry about how much women suck than talking about how to detect a good one. We rarely talk about that around here. To me it's counterproductive.

So what are your methods, in detail, for qualifying women? Seriously. This is the weakest aspect of my "game". Always has been.

 

[ketostix]

Religion is a form of mind control. Most of the people in church are either there because they grew up in a highly religious family and never bothered to question what they were told, or they are looking to god to fill a hole in their life.

Either way, a chick that tells you that she can't kiss you because of her church is fukked in the head. She's either playing the good girl role, pretending to be chaste so she looks like a "catch" for a gullible man, or she's really that wacked to think that jesus is going to send her to hell for a peck on the lips.

It's an ILLUSION.

Well my point is church and religion is a form of socilization, just as foreign girls are socialized different. Lots of things are basically mind control including secularism. A lot of churches have corrupted religion but the Bible is very clear that women are suppose to be submissive and feminine and men are supposed to be in control. So if that's mind control, it's one I can agree with. Most people are religious for the reason you gave, but others are for a multitude of reasons. For example it might be a logic decision similar to Pascal's wager.

I never said foreign women are "less of wh0res", I said they are more feminine.

To be honest with you I don't care that much about a chick's past. It's "don't ask don't tell" for me.

How many dudes has she slept with? Most guys think three or less is acceptable. What's the difference between three and five? Or eight? Is she telling you truth, or telling you what you want to hear?

See how stupid it is to get caught up in that game?

Str8up I know this is one of your beliefs, and I agree it's useless asking a girl something like the number of guys she's slept with. But a woman's past matters a lot. It's the best indicator of her future behavior. It matters how many men she has slept with, each one is another red flag and a notch of baggage. The way to find out her past though is indirectly. Indirectly, you can determine a lot about a person.

asked her about Carnival, she says she never goes. She knew what goes on there and she talked like it's nasty.

She called me on her way back from Church tonight. I think she really is a good church girl. It's not an act. She told me her parents converted when she was 10 years old. She told me her father wants to talk to me. She is still trying to get me to go to her church before she can kiss me.

I have had my red flag detector out all this time and she keeps passing the test.

This girl is NOT the usual Brazilian slut. She is different and maybe she is a keeper.

Well, you know not every Brazilian woman is doing the carnival thing. Of course there's always the possibility that one has, but it's not known for certain. Fuzzx painted all Brazilans and Mexicans with a broad brush, all Brazilians women act as sluts and Mexican women are not. Well there definitely are exceptions. One of the biggest sluts that I personally know is a Mexican girl.

 

[Rogue]

Contrast this to the fact that American men are almost universally LOVED by women the world over.

Can you cite some academic sources? I have heard this before and I don't doubt what you said but I need academic references to cross-reference and verify.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Well, you know not every Brazilian woman is doing the carnival thing. Of course there's always the possibility that one has, but it's not known for certain. Fuzzx painted all Brazilans and Mexicans with a broad brush, all Brazilians women act as sluts and Mexican women are not. Well there definitely are exceptions. One of the biggest sluts that I personally know is a Mexican girl.

I have come to my own conclusion.

This girl is different. She is special. And I am going forward with this mindset.

I have dated sluts, I have dated all types of girls and I can ALWAYS tell what type they are after I get to know them.

I can tell this girl is who she says she is. She is no typical Brazilian slut. She is different from any girl I have ever dated.

 

[jophil28]

Can you cite some academic sources? I have heard this before and I don't doubt what you said but I need academic references to cross-reference and verify.

STR8uP said it. That makes it true.
:crazy:

However, what he said about American men is largely true. They are highly valued by women in other countries.

 

[STR8UP]

Can you cite some academic sources? I have heard this before and I don't doubt what you said but I need academic references to cross-reference and verify.

Nope. Just a personal observation. Never heard one single bad thing about American men, as it pertains to the mating game anyway.

She is still trying to get me to go to her church before she can kiss me.

Good luck being her puppet.

Maybe she does have a golden pu$$y, but I would NEVER, EVER let a woman control the frame like that.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dearr Tokyo,
I always enjoy the different mindset you take on issues....
"Would you mind elaborating? I've experience with Taiwanese, ABC's, and Hong Kong girls, but none from the mainland."....Well you certainly get around,I dance with Chinese of Taiwanese,Hong Kong,and Malaysian background and though I have never been involved in hanky panky with them they seem very different from First generation Mainland Chinese...These are the real Chinese they have never been a free people the way people of my extraction understand that word...The current harsh regime they live under is not that different from the War Lords and Kuomintang of the recent past.....theirs is a life of service,obedience and enduring...the whole concept of Independance is lost on them,the closest they can come to,is something approaching lawlessness....The first lesson all these girls learn is the folk story of a Starving Chinese Woman,having only one bowl of rice in the house,she shares it between her child and her husband...and that is how they are....The Man and HIS needs come first,to ignore this is to expose herself to the wrath of her Family,and make no mistake they are very personal and intrusive in their criticism of each other,the deplorable antics of the "Red Guards"with public confessions are quite in character....the next more pleasant aspect is that just as in Macrocosm the Chinese have managed to subsume and absorb other cultures,your Woman will never confront you,no arguments just persistant placid resistance,eventually she gets her way or arrives at a congenial compromise...In general they are uninterested in Feminism it is so alien to their culture that it washes over their head...When it comes to svx they are so beautifully equipped,their bodies are slim and agile,they rarely become fat with age,lovely complexions,their apparatus is just soo tight something that as you age you will appreciate...the ones I have played with will always come across,no matter how inconvenient,having no moral hang ups they will accede to your every request and if you tell them that Kegals improve their Svxuality they will practice them all day,but look I am not talking about Bargirls,only deal with the high born educated elite.....There is some truth in Kiplings "East is East and West is west...."there are downsides,but in general when you tire of the rest and are looking at a future where your health may deteriorate suddenly they are a reliable option.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

However, what he said about American men is largely true. They are highly valued by women in other countries.

Um, not quite. They only value the American men that can AFFORD to go overseas.

And even then, they value the guy for his passport, and what it represents to her, not his mad DJ skills.

I seriously urge all you guys who think your problems lie with the nature of American Women to seriously look at yourselves in the mirror.

You'll find that whatever unresolved problems you have will follow you wherever you go.

 

[samspade]

Um, not quite. They only value the American men that can AFFORD to go overseas.

And even then, they value the guy for his passport, and what it represents to her, not his mad DJ skills.

I seriously urge all you guys who think your problems lie with the nature of American Women to seriously look at yourselves in the mirror.

You'll find that whatever unresolved problems you have will follow you wherever you go.

a) Any American man can "afford" to go overseas. A few hundred bucks can get you to South America or East Asia.

b) Not all foreign women are dying to move to America. Sorry to break your heart.

I do agree that you can't solve your own issues as a man by meeting and banging some foreign chick, but the notion that foreign women are only after an American passport is highly overrated and totally ignorant. This is typical American feminazi b.s. that seeks to prop up the embittered, withering, single American woman and beat down the foreign woman as either ignorant or prostitute. Way to defend your own. Apparently, women are only strong, independent, and capable of anything if they were born within the 50 states.

Finally, any American man's problems do not "lie with the nature of American women." A man's problems are his own. If he deems an American woman not worth his time and effort, that's up to him. So if he HAS looked himself in the mirror, it's his prerogative to date whomever he chooses, regardless of what shaming American broads with barren wombs have to say about it.