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Hmmm, I'm jumping into this late but oh well...

Sometimes when I think of women's bad behavior I do think of them in the context of their "whorish ways." Though I don't usually use that term when talking or thinking about it, because for me it means something different than just "a woman who sleeps around."

I can't speak for all males on this site who talk about women and there whorish ways, but when I think of a woman like that here is what comes to mind.

Someone who:

1.) cares only for their own feelings and no one else's.

2.) has no problem using men for money, status or whatever else.

3.) uses sex as a weapon against men.

4.) repeats over and over the same abusive pattern with men and then wonders why her life is ****, i.e. she lives in a dream world but refuses (not fails, but refuses) to realize it.

5.) sees nothing wrong with her behavior, in fact she thinks she's an angel.

I could probably go on, but I think you can see the common theme here. The problem isn't woman sleeping around, the problem is the OTHER bad behavior that usually goes along with it. A ***** then is a woman with deep seated character flaws... well at least to me she is.
 

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Well I find myself agreeing with parts of what is being said by all sides in this debate.

1. Yes it is good that women are "free" in western society (unlike Islamic countries)

2. Yes it is great to be able to have sex with whoever you want to.

3. Yes we should not condemn women for doing what we do....

However

None of these Hoes is going to get my money ever again.. So if we assume that 90% of women in our society are sleeping around, who can we trust to marry? Do any of you really want to put your net worth on the line to marry a woman who is doing this? Yes it is hypocritical but you need to save your money... the hoes will divorce you and find another chump.

So in general I think it is fine women can do what they want but not with my pocketbook. Been there, done that

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Dietzcoi,

You bring up an interesting point, and one that is usually ignored, made fun of, abused etc.

You have been there, done that, and seen what happens when women sleep around indiscriminately. (note that a woman merely having sex with another man is not the issue here - they have desires exactly like men - it is when they are uncontrollable or have no respect in doing so).

If you cannot develop self-respect / self-control outside of a LTR, what makes people think these character traits will suddenly appear inside one?

It is of course particularly applicable in marriage (or any 'partnership agreement'), where lack of self-control can lead to divorce, and all the hurt, pain and financial crap that goes with it.

A salutory lesson... this isn't a moral point... it's a practical one.

Thanks,

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I don't think anyone will disagree with the fact that women who cheat or sleep around when in an LTR are the bottom of the barrell.

What I disagree with, is labelling a woman a Ho because she's had relationships and slept with a few men in her past. If we go by what PueroRL preaches, any woman who has alept with another guy is a hoe. Thats just plain stupid in my book.

So are we to say that the woman who get's married to her high school sweet heart - and this guy then turns into an Alcoholic and beats her.... she then get's a divorce... so is this woman now a Ho? According to Puerto RL thats a yes.

Our society has changed (for the better in my belief) so it's much easier to meet people and date people and ultimately have intimate relations with someone.

Are some women gold diggers? Sure. Are they to be avoided? sure.

But to put all women in the same barrel is plain stupid.
 

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fingers your "facts" on judiasm are mostly wrong

the religion doesnt promote itself at all

it accepts converts but they have to really want it to do it correctly

though these days its a reach to call reform and now even conservative, judisasm

jews arent tryin to take over anythin. look at the controversial country of israel:

the israelis just want to be left alone in their country

u can argue whos land it is back and forth but if you lose the war you start u dont deserve the land u lost but thats gettin a little off topic

i realize that there are a lot of powerful jews within our society espically since jews make up such a tiny percentage of the world population

i think that there was some stat put out that jews while being close to 5% of the US population make 20% of the income.

though many of these so called jews do not want to even be associated with anything jewish

so all in all its a little hard for me to belive that jews are trying to take over anythin specifically
 

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"We are taught right from wrong, but in this process we learn that sexuality is EVIL! As a former Christian, THIS is what I have had to unlearn!"

Actually, the Bible looks upon sex as a very, very good thing, just within marriage of course. Although if you are referring to churches distorting this to say that sex for pleasure even WITH your spouse is evil, then I agree, there are even Christians who need to unlearn that cuz it's just wrong.
 

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Very thought-provoking thread!

Originally posted by drixsa
jews arent tryin to take over anythin. look at the controversial country of israel:

the israelis just want to be left alone in their country

u can argue whos land it is back and forth but if you lose the war you start u dont deserve the land u lost but thats gettin a little off topic

so all in all its a little hard for me to belive that jews are trying to take over anythin specifically
Well I am Jewish and I know my history. Right around the time of Constantines death (337 AD) Israel was under Byzantine rule. During this time, they didnt expand politicaly or geagraphicaly, but asimilated into neihboring countries and spread their faith whrever they went. Histrians say that at this time, their populaton was roughly 2 million. Today there are over 15 million so you do the math! Not to mention that they also control much of the media and industry today

But this is going way off topic. I just wanted to add that I dont waste my time with the hoes. It is a matter of standards because I dont fvck just any girl and I expect the same integity from the woman.
 
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newman says...

"So are we to say that the woman who get's married to her high school sweet heart - and this guy then turns into an Alcoholic and beats her.... she then get's a divorce... so is this woman now a Ho? According to Puerto RL thats a yes."

newman u sound like a biatch - how is a woman a ho by sleeping with her husband - u fool - y r u so against truth and thus me - i know y - because u r a wh@re yourself and take it personally - good - take it and learn! and live!

the only man a woman should have sex with is her husband and if there is a divorce then she should court another for marriage and dont have sex until re-married otherwise she just gets hoed around and disrespected and 7 guys later she wonders y men dont want to marry her - y buy the ho when u get the ho for free!!!! Marry your ho newman and lets see where u end up 10 years later - in the gutter crying y she left u..

newman obviously is a female or an effiminate.
 
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christian society women r in worse condition than the islamic country women

look at their condition in america - read my previous post - they r the most disrespected women on earth
christian women r the most enslaved on the planet yet they r the most free to b a wh@re - to have abortions - to have custody of the kids - to get half of a man's wealth - to take the abortion pill - to dress like a slut - to have sex with countless men - free to take drugs - to smoke -

christian sociieties has devestated the true worth of a woman by making her into solely a sexual object to b desired and lusted after - she is a SLAVE and she is glorified by this status - turn on your tv and look at magazines - cosmo-ho-politan magazine is their proud bible on how to screw a man - literaly and figureatively speaking - take a look at it just read the cover - hos r in abundance in christian societies -- y is that??? they have been enslaved by their pussi and r loving their servitude - they r self-enslaved!

while im writing this there is a commercial on tv for herbal essence shampoo and claiming that it is an organic experience while they show a ho in the shower moaning and groaning having an orgasm -- WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this commercial has been on for over two years -- im sure u have seen it at least hundreds of times by now - and our youth r watching this shyt! - this is a perfect example of how false christian societies r and how they reduced women to one organ -- their vagina!

False peoplle - false pride - pride cometh b 4 destruction and a HAUGHTY SPIRIT B 4 A FALL!! no nation is stronger than her woman and christian hos have weakened their nations and these nations r falling rapidly and r falling hard - the enemy is not a foreign power but the true enemy is within our own country - adopting the wh@re / homsexual agenda is the death knell to america!! and to all the so-called christian nations.

it has happen b 4 u know.

hos r everyehre.
 
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y is the majority of al news so concenttrated on such a small country like israel for the last few decades everyday on every hour on every major network it is talking about israel and jews - jews this jews that israel this israel that - and how us false christians must stand with the biblical israel -- HUH?? there r more puerto ricans in the USA than jews - but i heard nothing in the last 40 years about them - huh?? oh yeah thats right we dont count jewish flesh is more important than ours . israel can never do wrong - they r freedom lovers killing terrorists - yet israel's mossad along with the cia is doing most of the killing and all the assasinating around the world! - HUH???

tells u who controls what u r going to think about that day - the jewish agenda is pushed because they control the mediums and outlets of communications and their point-of-view is mostly what u hear- this is obvious - turn on your tv and wait for the news to come on.
 

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Hey Puerto Rican Lover

You never answered my question.

You obviously believe that a woman should NOT have sex outside of marriage. So are you also NOT having sex until marriage?

Somehow I doubt it, cinsidering that you believe hoes should be "found"

I think this is the essence of Fingz post. To stop the hypocrisy.

So unless you are saving sex for your wife, then with all due respect, you need to STFU!
 

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newman obviously is a female or an effiminate.

Why because I like women? Because I like having sex?

Hmm sure if that makes me female and effiminate then yes I am.

because u r a wh@re yourself and take it personally - good - take it and learn! and live!
No I am not a wh@re - I'm living my life the way I want to. I don't take it personally - I just can't believe the BS that comes from you. Your attitude sucks. Your judgemental - and your worse than a 5th grade teacher. Your close minded - and have probably been spoon feed this BS since you were born.

We will see where we are in 10 yrs time. You and your virgin wife - with your lights off, missonary postition only sex life - where you demand sex because it's your right, and your wife must perform for you when you say so.... This wife of yours will probably have little personality, and little to offer a man - if and I say IF you find this Virgin at 41 yrs of age.

To think of a life and wife like that makes me puke.
 

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Lately I've posted my disdain for misogynist threads throughout topics and its great to find another male poster who believes in the same philosophies as me (Fingers)

We all want sex...bad. I hear tales of men who claim that they are satisfied with getting little to no women. I respected them and even was a friend with one of them. Until I went to his house because I gave him rides when his car was shot and it was surprised to see how pornified his PC was. He had no screensaver and had several porn folder directories on his desktop. He wasn't a man who was satisfied; he just repressed his sexuality to the point where he no longer felt like he needed it. I won't be too shocked if he mutates into a child molester or a rapist because his sexuality has become so twisted, so warped that his sexuality is used maliciously.

All I can say is that beneath the social veneers we wear, everyone is a slut! On the inside we are all pumping and seething with mad hormones that make us want to "be fruitful and multiply"
Yes. True. Of course that doesn't mean we just go and bang girls at random. I've met a lot of alleged sluts on my dorm room floor and come to find out, they don't get nearly as much action as the "good girls" :rolleyes: who get nailed almost daily. Its sad and pathetic to see that we are worshipping a contradictory ideal. I don't know how many times I've heard girls try to say they are virgins when in real life, when in real life they aren't. Then when girls do admit that they've had sex, they pretend that it happened only once or twice when you damn well know its at least 10x that amount.

Why are they living this lie? I mentally shake my head everytime I hear a girl try to play the good girl role. When I do have sex with girls, I keep it so quiet because I know if I say they are a huge slut, they will get mad and leave. Thats why its common fact that college girls are easy. Its been propagated by men and women love it too because it gives them a chance to fulfill their desires without the social flack. I see so many girls have the most pointless degrees at my college. About 3/4 of them have gen ed degrees. The majority of the other 1/4 are taking something ridiculously easy like English and then you got the small sprinklings of what I see as legitimate degrees ie Engineering, Design, Teaching, etc. Most of the gen ed girls I know don't even attend their classes except for test days. However they are always completely wasted on weekends and have numerous sex partners. Its liberating to them I imagine.

To guys, being a womanless loser is the ultimate insult. To girls, getting around is the ultimate insult. So sad.

I think Fingers general point is that women want sex just as bad as men do. They enjoy sex just as much as men - and men (in general) seem to think that it's ok for guys to go around screwing multiple women, but that women (or at least women that the guy ends up with) should be a virgin - untouched.
Yes. I don't get why guys want virgins anyway. My experiences with them have all been bad. Namely the fact that they don't express any emotion and they bleed really badly not to mention them crying if you go too fast or too hard. I myself prefer the sexually liberated females who make it enjoyable to have sex with. I avoid all virgin girls. I'd rather have a fist fest than bother with them. I think most guys want virgin girls because they are insecure with their sexual performance and they are afraid their chick will be better and leave him for someone more experienced.

Sure if you under 23, your going to find a woman that hasn't had lots of sex
I'd replace 23 with 18. The average age of girls who have sex now is about 15.5 years. Most of them probably got devirginized when they were 13 or 14. Then you got the sexually repressed girls get screwed like crazy when they go to college. I know of a girl who went to my HS who said she'd wait until marriage (she told my friends and I this when she was 16) but the first weekend, she screwed two guys :eek:, and made out with a girl for like 3-4 minutes. By age 23, you should expect that a girl has an average of 10 sex partners, maybe 15-20 if she went to college. To expect less is a crapshoot and to expect to find a large group of virgins is about to embark on a pointless journey.

If she is 30, I'd expect no less than 25 partners.

1. Women who have self-control - i.e. they make choices, and don't just surrender to whichever emotion is powering their bodies.
Here is another sexually repressed member. This person implies that girls who have sex lack self control. I feel sorry often times for the girls that are portrayed as sluts by guys while the men whine about not getting laid or get laid all the time, usually by these "sluts." The only girls I have no respect for are the ones who get STDs. I know condoms aren't 100% but they are 97%+. Chances are if a girl has herpes or the clap, she was penetrated with a raw sausage. Never hit it raw my friends. Once in a while I come across girls who have oral herpes and I don't pity or feel sympathetic towards them. Also girls should know about the guy before. STDs are never invisible. There are always some external symptoms.

Condoms are very cheap nowadays. If you can't afford those, get some at a hospital. I doubt they'd give out defective rubbers.

I grew up as a strict Christian and have had the idea hammered into me for over a decade that fornication is a grave sin. Indeed, I was even told that masturbation makes God angry!
When I was a kid, I was a good little Catholic boy. I was given so many delusional statements that weren't even in the bible. Most of my teachers were warpigs that basically tackled and demoralized sexuality in every instance. Hell, you thought that the masturbation was bad...I was told that talking to girls in a sexual manner was a sin! Flirting was paralleled with the devil! It made me a scared little boy in an evil world. My social life in this time was decimated. I had 2-3 friends and never talked to them outside class. I received a couple of invitations for mixed gender parties but was scared of them. I'd see a sweet little honey but was too paralyzed to approach because I wanted to get in on the Lord's good side.

I think I was on my way to becoming a DJ after I got my Catholic confirmation in 8th grade. I got $50 for my birthday. I gave $20 of it (which was a lot seeing as how that was my only income except for maybe a $10 here and there for various oddjobs I'd do for my parents) to the church because they were supposed to give it to kids in Haiti. Turns out that they raised about $12k or so and only donated about $3000 to it. The rest of the money, they spent on a new water fountain which I thought was BS (it didn't cost no $9k to get a fountain) and I realized that the fountain was at most 2k and I bet the rest of the money was simply pocketed.

I was so annoyed and so mad that I gave up on churches altogether. People of holy faith are no different than anyone else. I think thats why you hear reports of sexual molestation - their sexuality has been repressed to the point where it got twisted. Chastity is considered a positive attribute and when taken to 100% context, you get this.

Where I´m from (NYC) hoes are considered to be loose women who screw just about eveyone, not so much for personal gain, but because they are horny and lack the self-respect to reserve the intimacy for a man who truy deserves it.
Where I'm from (IA), if a girl has sex with more than two guys, she is a full blown slut. I'm serious. You think that college would be completely liberating but even girls who make out with maybe more than five guys (and this is just making out) is considered a slut. There is this one girl who was deemed a ho in my class as early as 6th grade for showing a boy her underwear. This rep stuck and was so bad that she had to move to another district. It was found out later on from guys that supposedly nailed her and all that other crap that she never had sex. The furthest she got was for a man to suck on her tits. So for us, you don't even need to have sex to be considered a slut.

I think the most sexually liberated places of them all would be Southern California and Southern Florida. I think the best would be Cancun. I think once I get rich, I'm getting a nice house in Cancun so I can go down and nail all the rich honeys there :)
 

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Heh, my reply was so long that I had to post it twice.

Someone who:
A lot of what you listed is what happens when a girl comes across a chump. Think about this...long and hard (heh heh, I said long and hard)

For all your life, nothing was ever handed to you on a silver platter. If you wanted something, you had to earn it. You meet a guy who is lonely and desperate to be your friend. He supplicates like crazy. He buys you tickets to concerts, sports events, etc. He goes out of his way to make your life just /)(\ much better. At first you tell him its not necessary. He insists that he does this so you just let him. Soon its so painfully boring to be by him because all he does is say how cool you are and stroke your ego. You don't like him that much anymore. You try to leave him behind but he keeps showing up! You probably end it by really stripping him of his pride so he can get enough sense to leave. Sometimes he does.

It happens. Just imagine that this happens to you...all the time. These people are supposed to be the kind you marry in your life. This is what happens to a woman. You have lines of these men. She has given up putting up the fight to resist and just allows it to happen. She becomes sexually frustrated (AFC supplication is NOT normal behavior) and becomes a b1tch.

So in general I think it is fine women can do what they want but not with my pocketbook. Been there, done that
Yes but it is your fault if you allow it to be this way. Opening up your wallets to get a successful relationship is the wrong way. I never pay for a girl...ever. Yet not paying never hindered any of my dates. I don't believe in the institution of marriage. I believe it was old fashioned and meant for girls to have children before they died at age 30-40. If I do marry, its got to come from a woman (note: a woman, not a 25-30 girl who is doing it to keep up w/ her friends) who feels about it as strongly as I do.

That we will work our problems out, that we will make compromises (not the man makes a sacrifice and the woman has everything just because she is female), and our personalities will never change. I don't want the sweet girl to turn into a malicious pig. Even though we are married, we will still be in great physical shape. Yes, you had a child and no, its not normal to keep the 20-30 pregnancy pounds. Her and I both need to put effort into this marriage. No, once or twice a month is not going to cut it. The least I will tolerate is twice a week.

My expectations for marriage are extremely high and I see that as a good thing. If this woman is to be the one I die with, she isn't going to be just any girl that is single and wants to be married.
 

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Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
christian society women r in worse condition than the islamic country women

look at their condition in america - read my previous post - they r the most disrespected women on earth
christian women r the most enslaved on the planet yet they r the most free to b a wh@re - to have abortions - to have custody of the kids - to get half of a man's wealth - to take the abortion pill - to dress like a slut - to have sex with countless men - free to take drugs - to smoke -

christian sociieties has devestated the true worth of a woman by making her into solely a sexual object to b desired and lusted after - she is a SLAVE and she is glorified by this status - turn on your tv and look at magazines - cosmo-ho-politan magazine is their proud bible on how to screw a man - literaly and figureatively speaking - take a look at it just read the cover - hos r in abundance in christian societies -- y is that??? they have been enslaved by their pussi and r loving their servitude - they r self-enslaved!

while im writing this there is a commercial on tv for herbal essence shampoo and claiming that it is an organic experience while they show a ho in the shower moaning and groaning having an orgasm -- WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this commercial has been on for over two years -- im sure u have seen it at least hundreds of times by now - and our youth r watching this shyt! - this is a perfect example of how false christian societies r and how they reduced women to one organ -- their vagina!

False peoplle - false pride - pride cometh b 4 destruction and a HAUGHTY SPIRIT B 4 A FALL!! no nation is stronger than her woman and christian hos have weakened their nations and these nations r falling rapidly and r falling hard - the enemy is not a foreign power but the true enemy is within our own country - adopting the wh@re / homsexual agenda is the death knell to america!! and to all the so-called christian nations.

it has happen b 4 u know.

hos r everyehre.
It sounds to me like this guy has been listening to too much hate preaching done by the Imams. Dude, you are brainwashed. All you do in your posts is talk bad about Christians, yet you give no evidence as to where Christ tells us to partake in these acts. Christ never taught any of this crap you are talking about. Cosmopolitan, music video's, shampoo commercials...these are your evidence!? Please explain to me how these things are part of Christian teachings? You are simply using another tactic of Jihad. Conversion through deception. Jihad doesn't have to be violent, as I'm sure you know, there are many levels, and you are simply taking part in one level by spreading these bullcrap lies.

LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL. All the bad crap that goes on in America is not a result of Christian teachings. If a woman is treated as a piece of a**...it is not b/c of something written in the Bible!
 
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PuertoRican_Lover, good post man. Finz is on crack!! Total pagan himself. I loved his other post but this time he disappoints.

Why did the human race survive plagues etc etc, because the pagans bred so often. hahahaah, because the human race is the smartest, simple as that!

Yes the church controls us to make money "give us money and it will make you a GOOD person", but then again, it is documented IN HISTORY, that Jesus did exist!! A man who performed MIRACLES, now how many pagans have I heard about or seen who performed miracles? ummmmmmmmmmmmmm, cant think of any right now.

There are two things important in life, be a good person and be happy. I suppose whichever way you can acheive both things, go for it, but this is one mans opinion one one issue. Funny how sometimes men, i.e FINGZ think they can see something special about the world around them that noone else can see. When really they are trapped in their on small little mind and have their own mental model and perceptions guiding their every thought! And yes I too are trapped in my own SMALL ways of thinking! Nice try, and some fools here seem to beleive your conspiracy theory........hahaha.........
 

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Good post, Fingers.

The thing about women (and men) having sex is that anything you do, you can do for one of two reasons. You can either do it because you HAVE to do it, or because you CHOOSE to do it.

That's the difference between a woman disrespecting herself and having sex for attention or comfort because she can't find it in herself...and her having sex because she has chosen (regardless of the reason, be it love, lust, dopamine, alcohol, whatever) that she wants to be intimate with someone.

The same difference between a man who goes out and tries to lay women because he needs approval or comfort, and a man who chooses to have sex with a woman

THAT'S the difference betwen your b!tch-slut who goes out and gets involved in gangbangs and wild sex parties and your woman who is strong-willed and promiscuous because she CHOOSES promiscuity.

In reality, this isn't anything new...this site and every other site has gone on and on about the difference between being controlled by your impulses and being in control of them. Pook talks about being in control of your testosterone. And just about EVERYONE has hit on the idea of WANTING sex rather than NEEDING it.

Fingers, you talk about marijuana...things like marijuana and alcohol have been frowned upon as "evil," just like sex. The reality is that like sex, there are people who actively choose to use drugs recreationally, but are in CONTROL of their usage and use because THEY CHOOSE to experience that high. Then there are those who are addicted, who seek comfort or acceptance by doing drugs. THere are those who need the high so much they forsake everything else, including friends and family.

It's easy to swear off the drug, the woman, anything else and declare it "evil." When really it's the person's lack of self-control and self-respect that's to blame for them using something in an evil way. Anything can be good OR evil...the difference lies in how we use it, how we perceive it.
 

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By the way, you zealots who are going to turn this into a religious debate missed the point entirely. I doubt Fingers is trying to steer anyone from their faith. :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
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y is the majority of al news so concenttrated on such a small country like israel for the last few decades everyday on every hour on every major network it is talking about israel and jews - jews this jews that israel this israel that - and how us false christians must stand with the biblical israel -- HUH?? there r more puerto ricans in the USA than jews - but i heard nothing in the last 40 years about them - huh?? oh yeah thats right we dont count jewish flesh is more important than ours . israel can never do wrong - they r freedom lovers killing terrorists - yet israel's mossad along with the cia is doing most of the killing and all the assasinating around the world! - HUH???

tells u who controls what u r going to think about that day - the jewish agenda is pushed because they control the mediums and outlets of communications and their point-of-view is mostly what u hear- this is obvious - turn on your tv and wait for the news to come on.
Yep they do control the mediums and communication outlets, however why do we hear more about the jews than puerto ricans? I am sure if puerto rico went into war with a nearby country we would hear about them on the news as well. And the jews are hated by MANY people for what they are doing. However then again, it takes 2 to tango. The jews put up with enough sh*t in their history, I can see why they dont want to take no crap now. I can say if I was part of their race, and my grandparents etc went through what they did, I wouldnt be taking no crap from no Muslims either.

And as for the Jews and the Cia doing most of the killing around the world?? hahahaahahahaah, have you forgot about Africa and some of the things that happen and happened there? In the scheme of things, the jews arent really doing that much killing whatsoever. As for these terrorist bumbs, attacking everywhere around the world, even in their own countries, I.e indonesia. They dont care about their own people, they are only totally controlled by their "religious" mindsets. As fingz said, which to some extent is true, but then again there are morals in this world, and being a pagan or "free" to do what you want aint gonna "fix" things. If everyone was free to have sex all the time and do what they wanted, i.e "love nature", I would hate to see some of the diseases that come about. Look at the way the homos are spreading HIV and AIDS? In Australia 90% of HIV/AIDS carriers are homosexuals, and their population in comparison to straight people is TINY!

Well that is all I am commenting on this topic, one that will never be solved and has been debated throuhout history, would rather just have my opion and you have yours.

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