Women Start to Lose Their Femininity After 25

[jjflash]

After that point, they inevitably devolve into "Karen Mode."

1. they care more about their career than men

2. they become increasingly selective as their estrogen levels drop and they start to become more "analytical" in mate assessment

3. their skin hardens

4. they stop smiling

5. they get fat

6. they don't have the time or energy for clubs resorting to online dating which becomes a useless time sink of bots, dik pics, and hundreds of thirsty random average guys

7. in "Karen mode" they date and marry men outside of their race alienating and disheartening their family

 

[EyeBRollin]

Earlier than this in Western countries. The decline starts as soon as they graduate college.

 

[Robert28]

I legit saw a skinny mid-30’s woman the other day that had the beginnings of cellulite in the back of her legs. I couldn’t believe my eyes.

 

[SW15]

Interesting assessment. I agree for the most part.

1. they care more about their career than men

This is more a function of the cost of higher education. Women with BA/BS degrees or higher act like this. Women with high school diplomas/GEDs or associate degrees do not act like this. A higher percentage of women now get BA/BS degrees or higher since 1980 or 1990. Also, after age 25, more of the singles are the BA/BS degree holders as women with lower levels of education tend to marry and/or have babies sooner. It also tends to be the Non-Hispanic White women who are the most career obsessed, since Non-Hispanic White women tend to have more of the higher education degrees.

I've interacted with a few Hispanic women 25+ with BA/BS degrees or higher than were career obsessed and that was annoying AF. It's expected that Non-Hispanic White women will act as unfeminine career women but that's not an expectation for Hispanic women. Part of the appeal of the Hispanic woman is that she won't act like a White woman.

2. they become increasingly selective as their estrogen levels drop and they start to become more "analytical" in mate assessment

Partially true, when they are evaluating men near their own age. If you are a 20-24 year old man and you approach a woman in her mid to late 30s, she won't act super selective. If you as a younger man present a strong sexual frame, she'll have sex with you quickly while she'll make similarly age men work more for her vag.

4. they stop smiling

I can see this as true. Being hardened from relational disappointments can produce poor body language and IOI signaling. Additionally, a lot of the Millennial generation has been poor at sending IOIs due to technological immersion, which is why some guys spam approach without IOIs.

5. they get fat

I have a friend with a mid-30s wife (married a few years ago) who I saw recently for the first time since the pandemic began. Holy smokes! Her mid section was round, thighs seemed thicker, and just more all around body fat. She seems like she's gotten too comfortable in her relationship (over 10 years long now). She's ballooned up without even having kids!

Personal story aside, this is often true.

6. they don't have the time or energy for clubs resorting to online dating which becomes a useless time sink of bots, dik pics, and hundreds of thirsty random average guys

What's wild about this is that she'd probably save time if she got off of the apps. She would get approached less in person. Without swipe apps, she'd realize her lower market value and start to get into better shape to realize her value as best she could at whatever age is. When she puts herself on swipe apps, she generates a ton of interest, mostly from thirsty random average guys who she won't settle for while she's pumped and dumped by hit it & quit it guys. These "hit it and quit it" guys are guys with SMV higher than hers who appreciate getting the pusssy from her but don't want to be with her long term because her SMV is lower. However, her perspective is skewed by the immense attention (which is intoxicating in a way) and the random bangs with hot men.

tbh I think 24-26 is the most toxic, and they get better afterwards. Not as good as 23 though

I don't think women get better in their 30s.

 

[SW15]

If you are a 20-24 year old man and you approach a woman in her mid to late 30s, she won't act super selective. If you as a younger man present a strong sexual frame, she'll have sex with you quickly while she'll make similarly age men work more for her vag.

I seen this first hand a couple months ago. I was at a bar, and this group of 3 women aged late 30s-42 were sitting there. I was trying to engage with one, but she was not giving me any kind of interest at all.

If you want an easier bang and you're roughly 18-25 (I know I said 20-24 above), attempt to have sex with women over 30, especially women over 33 or so.

Since the year 2000 or so, it's been more common for 25 and under men to pursue women in their 30s/40s for sex. I think this is partially a reaction to a surplus of men in younger age brackets and this sort of thing being depicted more in popular culture. American Pie, Real Housewives of X, Ashton Kutcher-Demi Moore, etc. were examples in the 2000s of how this thing picked up steam.

For some men 25 and under, having sex with a 30s/40s woman can be easier than seducing a woman close to his own age. Some men in their early 20s find it difficult to compete with men in their mid to late 20s for women of the same age. With that said, because a lot of women devolve as LTR prospects after age 25 as @jjflash illustrates well, it is a better use of time to go after the 18-25 age range when you're 21, 25, 35, or 40 as a man.

I can understand 25 and under men going for short term sex with 30s/40s women because it can be easy and it's an interesting experience but men should move on from it rather quickly. If you're a 30 year old guy going after 40-45 year old divorcees, that would be problematic because at 30, you'd be well positioned with 21-27 year olds.

 

[jjflash]

Just like clockwork, I saw a perfect example of the above just the other day. I first met this girl about 4 years ago. She had just moved to the area for a job pretty much fresh out of college. She was a hot little spinner. I was occupied at the time, plus didn't have the time or social circle connections to move things beyond very brief initial flirtations.

FF 4 years later, this (formerly) hot little spinner has a ring on her finger. She is also sporting an extra 20-25 pounds. Her face has filled out making her look bloated. She has flabby arms as well. No doubt 5 years out, she'll be a small land whale. The dumb fool marrying her is getting her well past her prime and she's only going to continue her decline from here on out.

So yeah, hot at 22, but already over the hill at 26 to 27! Frightening. And she's in the public eye, too, so you'd think she'd have some incentive to look better than average. But with all of this size acceptance bullish-t being promoted, it almost doesn't even matter anymore. She can probably get as fat as she wants to, as long as she piles on the makeup and a black dress.

 

[SW15]

Just like clockwork, I saw a perfect example of the above just the other day. I first met this girl about 4 years ago. She had just moved to the area for a job pretty much fresh out of college. She was a hot little spinner. I was occupied at the time, plus didn't have the time or social circle connections to move things beyond very brief initial flirtations.

FF 4 years later, this (formerly) hot little spinner has a ring on her finger. She is also sporting an extra 20-25 pounds. Her face has filled out making her look bloated. She has flabby arms as well. No doubt 5 years out, she'll be a small land whale. The dumb fool marrying her is getting her well past her prime and she's only going to continue her decline from here on out.

So yeah, hot at 22, but already over the hill at 26 to 27! Frightening. And she's in the public eye, too, so you'd think she'd have some incentive to look better than average. But with all of this size acceptance bullish-t being promoted, it almost doesn't even matter anymore. She can probably get as fat as she wants to, as long as she piles on the makeup and a black dress.

I have a friend with a mid-30s wife (married a few years ago) who I saw recently for the first time since the pandemic began. Holy smokes! Her mid section was round, thighs seemed thicker, and just more all around body fat. She seems like she's gotten too comfortable in her relationship (over 10 years long now). She's ballooned up without even having kids!

I like the point that you bring up about weight gain. When women gain weight, their mindset can change too. Overweight women can find anti-femininity feminist ideologies more appealing. Roosh wrote about this in his pre-conversion era and has kept the article up.

Appearance Is Ideology – Roosh Valizadeh

You can easily predict the ideology of someone on the liberal-conservative spectrum by how they look. This is universal not just in Western countries but also in more traditional parts of the world. Liberals tend to be ugly, fat, and with low muscle mass when compared to the societal average. I d

www.rooshv.com

In both of our examples, both of the women we discuss received wedding rings from men. The woman in my example is 33, the one in yours is 26/27. When I met the now 33 year old woman at 23, she had been the girlfriend of a newly made friend for one year. At 23, I would have have rated her a 7 on my 1-10 scale. Most men would assessed her as straddling the cute/hot borderline. I started to notice her decline at 27 at a pool party, before she had even received a ring. Even around then, I would have called her a cute 6. I also saw pics of her mom on Facebook and saw that her mom was not a svelte 50+ woman. The warning signs were always out there that she'd blow up.

I feel like your example is more extreme than mine but it's the same idea.

I feel bad for my friend, who now has a wife that has put on a noticeable amount of weight while he's stayed in shape. It is wild to think that right around her 25th birthday, ~3 years into that relationship, he was thinking about breaking up with her. At 25, she was still around the cute/hot borderline and I think he thought it'd be easier to stay with a cute/hot woman than try and date new women. He would have either have had to do massive cold approaching in bars (I doubt he would have done day game) or app swiping (Tinder was new then). Both are hard paths, and it was known then that online stuff was tough (website dating in the late 2000s/early 2010s had its problems). Her decline from 25 to 30 was slow but after 30 it accelerated.

 

[jjflash]

Little mention has been made of how devastating of a negative effect coeducation has had.

Women are at peak attractiveness in their late teens and start to taper off and then decline in attractiveness levels by their mid 20's if not sooner. This is precisely the time when they are all pulled OUT of the marriage pool as they are funneled often into 60 hours a week of "school" (anti-male propaganda) and work to pay for this anti-male propaganda.

Usually a woman's degree is worthless at graduation so then she is forced into 2-4 years of graduate school, and then spends 1-2 years looking for work and then "establishing her career." By this time she is already 25+ and noticeably past peak attractiveness, forcing her to work much harder than if she were looking to get married in late teens or early 20's.

On top of that, she is looking for a man making MORE money than her at this point, meaning her pool of "eligible" men is even tinier still.

All of this is designed to guarantee as many failures in the game of musical chairs as possible when in reality there is no reason why any of this is necessary.

 

[jaymbrs]

Just like clockwork, I saw a perfect example of the above just the other day. I first met this girl about 4 years ago. She had just moved to the area for a job pretty much fresh out of college. She was a hot little spinner. I was occupied at the time, plus didn't have the time or social circle connections to move things beyond very brief initial flirtations.

FF 4 years later, this (formerly) hot little spinner has a ring on her finger. She is also sporting an extra 20-25 pounds. Her face has filled out making her look bloated. She has flabby arms as well. No doubt 5 years out, she'll be a small land whale. The dumb fool marrying her is getting her well past her prime and she's only going to continue her decline from here on out.

So yeah, hot at 22, but already over the hill at 26 to 27! Frightening. And she's in the public eye, too, so you'd think she'd have some incentive to look better than average. But with all of this size acceptance bullish-t being promoted, it almost doesn't even matter anymore. She can probably get as fat as she wants to, as long as she piles on the makeup and a black dress.

He more than likely got her at her prime and she ballooned up during the relationship. My guess is it happens to 90% of couples.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Yes younger women’s physiques are or can be tighter. True story though: I’ve been with women in their 40’s and yes 50’s who put 25 year olds to utter shame in the physical department, washboard abs, tight arses, shaped like stratovarius cellos. They’re by far not the norm, but I find them much more intoxicating than a 22 year old.

and you actually can have a conversation with them about something interesting after you give them the tussling of a lifetime. And yes I can pull 8-9 20-somethings and maintained a 18 month relationship with one a few years back, she was wise beyond her years and a flipping smoke show.

not sure what the average age on this board is - seems quite young. I’m going to toss up a poll, please participate.

 

[Robert28]

I never have a problem chatting with young 20 something women about interesting things. Granted I avoid US girls who can be pretty glib.

I find it easier and more natural to have a conversation with younger women than I do old worn out ones.

 

[jjflash]

With women getting married at an average of close to 30, this gives them PLENTY of time to gain weight. Then, they gain even more weight after giving birth to 1, 2, or 3 children.

Then again, most married men get pretty fat as well, so they wouldn't exactly be Crown Jewels themselves if they tried their luck on tinder.

 

[SW15]

Then again, most married men get pretty fat as well, so they wouldn't exactly be Crown Jewels themselves if they tried their luck on tinder.

Shiit man, there are plenty of men who are not fat who don't get much attention on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge. Those are tough.

not sure what the average age on this board is - seems quite young. I’m going to toss up a poll, please participate.

I thought the average age of this board seems old. I don't see a lot of 18-25 year olds here.

Little mention has been made of how devastating of a negative effect coeducation has had.

Women are at peak attractiveness in their late teens and start to taper off and then decline in attractiveness levels by their mid 20's if not sooner. This is precisely the time when they are all pulled OUT of the marriage pool as they are funneled often into 60 hours a week of "school" (anti-male propaganda) and work to pay for this anti-male propaganda.

Usually a woman's degree is worthless at graduation so then she is forced into 2-4 years of graduate school, and then spends 1-2 years looking for work and then "establishing her career." By this time she is already 25+ and noticeably past peak attractiveness, forcing her to work much harder than if she were looking to get married in late teens or early 20's.

On top of that, she is looking for a man making MORE money than her at this point, meaning her pool of "eligible" men is even tinier still.

All of this is designed to guarantee as many failures in the game of musical chairs as possible when in reality there is no reason why any of this is necessary.

Not everyone goes to college. However, much of what you say is true for women who get bachelor's and master's degrees.

18-22 is near a woman's peak attractiveness. During this time, she's enrolled in an expensive college getting some degree. BA/BS degrees are expensive, even if you are going to a state university on in-state tuition. Once she graduates, she has to get a high pressure job to pay her student loans/get a positive return on the tuition dollar investment. She has to become a careerist in order to do that. This is even worse if she goes to graduate school. Careerist women are not as attractive to men. Many view them as pump and dump at best.

The personalities of careerist/feminist women are often worse than their declining looks.