"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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iveyleeger

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I'm gonna keep a new list here of women I didn't approach. Maybe the shame of it all will motivate me.

I have given most of you guys on this board sh-t at one time or another. Feel free to pile it all on me now on this thread!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Hey Iveyleeger.

What places are you going? Didn't you say you lived in near D.C.?
 

iveyleeger

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All around Adams Morgan, Dupont Circle, and the Mall. Not any clubs or bars, just cafes, bookstores, museums, etc. Where are you at?
 

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Interesting idea.

Damn they are everywhere here. I saw a group of guys outside of the gas station and some cute girls.

The cute girls I noticed when I was walking in and I bought my stuff.

On the way out I heard one girl say to one of the guys, "So you want her number"

Cheesy ass dudes got a number.

Could have been me.

Good idea

In September I will speak to 100 new women.
 

iveyleeger

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Ricky,

I don't get that, the girls just offered these guys their #'s?

P.S. Talk to one new woman tomorrow and you will only have to talk to 99 in Sept.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Ivey,

I wish you great success. I strongly advocate bootcamp, although I have stalled at week 4 this time. Ever Onward is also starting up again. He's on the main board. Grab al77 by the ear and drag him in too while you're at it! I want to see you succeed, bro.

One thing I need to add: try motivating yourself first rather than paying someone else and do it soon. Since we're both posting on the mature man's board, our days as eligible suitors are clearly numbered. Also, do you want to pony up $2k for a long weekend with a dating coach? Do it yourself and invest your savings in stocks, my friend.
 
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iveyleeger

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allan -- thanks, I'm not planning on paying a dating coach, I'm not even willing to pay a website ;-)

P.S. Precious metals and commodities are outperforming stocks atm
 

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Ivey,

Ready to take over the mature man's bootcamp thread? I'm thinking you just gotta do it. I have to pick up with week 4. Week 3 went ok for me actually. After I finished week 3, I had to deal with some very serious, emotional family issues but I felt I confronted them in a direct manner with some integrity and feel that I can work on other parts of my life now with a clear mind.

You can pick up with week 1, 2, or jump right into week 3. Definitely read as much of the DJB as possible and of course read the exercises for for the first few weeks of DJBC.

I'm thinking you gotta do this. Based on your posts, you come across as someone who can vibe well with others, and in a relaxed and confident manner at that. I think you have an intuitive sense of how to put others at ease and how to be gracious. Combine this with some confidence (and a sprinkle of desperation to fuel the fire--hey, we're all desperate to some degree), and you're on your way. I've been looking forward to you commandeering the MMBC thread and making it your own. I'd like to see you on board for the next two months.

Allan
 

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Allan,

Where is the bootcamp? I tried the link on the sticky but got file-not-found. I see the thread for FR's, but not the actual boot camp form. I won't start it unless I can finish it. I want to know exactly what you're talking me into, here ;-)
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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