zekko
Master Don Juan
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OR be as physically attractive as possible and be the friendly outgoing type.Be as physically attractive as possible and be somewhat aloof
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
OR be as physically attractive as possible and be the friendly outgoing type.Be as physically attractive as possible and be somewhat aloof
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
To some degree. I’ll put it this way: I’m just as likely to agree with a master Don Juan than a new member, but if we disagree, a MDJ is more likely to change my mind.Are reaction scores a measure of a Don Juan o' Meter?
I don't lie; I have internalized that it's OVER.I’ve come to realize that this forum is full of pvssies in DJ’s clothing and most of them lie all the time about what they do with women. I wish there was some sort of lie detector test they could all take before joining to prove they really are a Don Juan. Maybe then we could weed out the simps and this forum would actually be productive (i.e. when someone does a cold approach or NoFap challenge people actually do it, the advice people give can always be relied on, more accurate poll results, etc.) Thoughts?
NoFap and cold approaching are two productive things. Doing both are good. NoFap must be accompanied by no porn. NoFap is a key part of being motivated to do cold approaches in a short term.Maybe then we could weed out the simps and this forum would actually be productive (i.e. when someone does a cold approach or NoFap challenge people actually do it, the advice people give can always be relied on, more accurate poll results, etc.) Thoughts?
Not really, it just shows you're relatable. And maybe good at giving advice. But that doesn't necessarily make you a Don Juan.Are reaction scores a measure of a Don Juan o' Meter?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Looks issues aside, there are still some early PUA fundamentals that are timeless and sound.Those early game guys had a lot of things right. Another good practice is to be open to try new things but accept when something that works for others doesn’t work for you.
A perfect example is in sales I don’t smile but I was always told smiling would improve my sales ability. So I started smiling and people started slamming doors in my face. It wasn’t genuine so it didn’t work for me.
I’d say first and foremost guys should look to the “accepted techniques” to get a direction but learn from the feedback they receive along the way and develop their own unique style.
I do agree and think that it’d do a lot more harm than good,but take into account that there are lost souls who come here to get some perspective on how things really work.The degeneration of this forum is majorly due to the posers(who are really nothing more than that),and black pillers.Been looking at some older threads,from as far back as the early 2000’s to 4-5 years ago,and the quality of the posts were much better.Insightful,well thought out and solution oriented ideas.Now it’s like guys just wanna complain and vent.I’ve come to realize that this forum is full of pvssies in DJ’s clothing and most of them lie all the time about what they do with women. I wish there was some sort of lie detector test they could all take before joining to prove they really are a Don Juan. Maybe then we could weed out the simps and this forum would actually be productive (i.e. when someone does a cold approach or NoFap challenge people actually do it, the advice people give can always be relied on, more accurate poll results, etc.) Thoughts?
I agree.It does nothing for someone to come here and pose and posture to strangers on the internet.At the end of the day,if you’re not doing the things you say you do,the joke is on you.I don't try to qualify anyone for this forum unless they are trying to qualify themselves or others, the fact of the matter is that 2021 in the manosphere was supposed to be the year of receipts and it was to a certain extent, but one of the byproducts of a receipt is that it provides a venue for detractors to attack you or even just vector your movements, it's a sad state of affairs to be a man on here actually looking for receipts and I guess the best receipts there is, are our own successes.
Need to spend less time attacking other men in the manosphere, it's under fire from the outside constantly, don't need it from the inside as well.
The timeless one I follow is: Be outcome independentLooks issues aside, there are still some early PUA fundamentals that are timeless and sound.
1. 3 second rule. (Have to be very careful in case she has a bf lurking in the background, but this is generally legit)
2. False time constraint. (So people you approach don’t feel pressured into a long convo)
3. Don’t lean in. (Creepy otherwise)
4. Situational opener. (Not the cringey opinion openers lol)
5. Have a couple cool stories in your “stack” if you need them
Not an exhaustive list. There’s probably more…
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.