"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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whats my next move??

A wolf Driven

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hey guys, big thanks for being here.

I've been reading through these awesome forums for about two weeks now and have learned things i'd never seen or thought of before. My alertness to women's signs is growing, but now i've come to a point where im going to ask for guidance.

the short story: One day at work (computer sales) a pretty cute girl came by and was in distress, while helping her out i put forth some kino and she responded well, so i told her i was going to come over and help her out. (quick background on me: very thin, 6'4" 135lbs lean, good facial features and a good smile... not driving yet and far off of my game before trying to pick it up lately). She picked me up on my only true day off for a dinner date with her roomie and her roomie's boy, and i felt out the situation. We hung out in their place for a few hours and since we were all together i felt a bit shy. Eventually we left the other two to their bidding and went to hang out on her bed. IF I HAD KNOWN (not enough reading here yet!) i would have lathered on the moves at that point in her room but instead she got talking about her situation and we chatted.

I couldn't bring myself to make moves on her, and eventually it was late enough that she gave me a ride back home. I was determined to do more homework here on the forums since I saw my opportunity here to get with her. So i made a call to her and asked if she wanted to do dinner or even take out to her place again (im still living at home :( ) and she said her friend jenny was going to a concert tonite and i agreed to go along. I thought this was even better but didn't think about it well enough to realize i wouldn't be able to isolate her really at all, and the concert turned out to be some local punk bands that were pretty bad (punk is her thing) and although i got alot more contact with her i wasn't getting any sexual responses and couldn't pull her away. might have been my lack of skill there, but im sure she wasn't feeling leaving her friend alone at a pretty boring show (neither of them were to into it). Of course, show was over and she dropped me off at my place and I felt like things were turning bad. Not that she showed less interest, its just im beginning to fear the friend vibes.

So, I'd like to pursue her since she's my age and seemed to be into me enough, and i know she's experienced and I believe given the opportunity i could work a little magic. However, i need a game plan. I need something that will get me at her house, with her, and i need to do some more reading on seducing.

So i'd hate to feel im just ranting (after re reading all this) but I'd definitely appreciate any help or perspectives you guys have on the situation. I am in no way tied in here and have no problem moving on, but i think given my circumstances this could make a good play in my book. Shoot any questions out about her or me, ask away and ill try to work with ya guys, but do you see anything i should do? anything i should read? theres so much in the bible, but only so much can apply to someone living at home that doesn't drive.

thanks a bunch fella's and GL on teh field!

( a post note)
also, after the first date with her she saw me online and said she had a good time and wanted to hang out again. also, she is a unique cookie. she moved out of home with a BF when 18 to oregon only to get dumped after awhile, and lived a few months in alone, but she would still get some guys and have fun. i know this through talking with her, what she said with her friend jenny, and she has a myspace page wich details alot about her (handy!).
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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A question about the Mystery kissclose: I haven't got a no yet, since I'm cautious to make a move too early when there is not enough interest amongst other reasons, but if the girl says No, do you simply continue to game her and then try that again later? That would not seem right, or do you simply forget about that girl and move on?
 

A wolf Driven

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thanks shezz for the advice. I'm thinking im gonna try to get a date with her to the pool hall around 9 or so in the evening for maybe an hour or so.. then see what i can say about "being starving" and maybe we should go back to her place. still need to do a little more in terms of my strategy so back to the bible for me. That concert was friday night, were both pretty busy people so im gonna see about doing all that tuesday night (weds my day off hehe) or even weds night (have soccer class the morning after, so ill have to play it carefully if i end up trying to pass out at her place). anyways, Ill give full coverage of the event on the forums!! dont worry, pimping coverage will be provided by A WOLF DRIVEN. tysm.
 
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