"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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What do you guys do

Prodoge

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Just got back from a date with a girl i chatted up on instagram a few days ago.
It turned out that she is better looking on her pics (has visible belly, which i find super unattractive)

As i saw her i told myself that i don't really want anything to do with her any further because of that (yes i am picky).

However as i got back i already had a message from her and she sent me 4 selfies on snapchat (not the ones she sends to every one) within an hour and flooded me with texts asking random **** like how long my longest relationship lasted.

My question is what do you guys do when a women is clearly not exactly what you want but shows interest ?

If you got the opportunity to get laid with little effort would you go for it? Even if you wouldn't even want her as plate

Keep in mind i could do with some more experience.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Well what do you consider desperate?
Hé consider desparate woman... the behaviour she has according to your post

Girl who show too much caring and attention and are so open to you fast.

Thèse girls make you wonder if girls have the same feeling with needy guys

You should tell her, you not interested... it will save you alot of timeand battery(for cell)
 

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Experience with desperate women is not useful experience.
Experiencing one desperate woman is good, especially in OP's case where he asks for the definition of desperate. Every man should have their own well-formed idea of a desperate woman, and it will naturally become a higher standard through experience.

You should be honest with her if you want to gain experience, obviously it's up to you on how you want to phrase that to her. If you were to lie to and manipulate a "desperate woman", what does that say about your value?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Haha, I'm kind of going through something similar man. There's a girl I'm supposed to meet up with tomorrow for the second time and I'm just not that into it.

Right now going through cycles of "But it's good experience" v. "Waste of time."
 

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OP- if you had more options NOW, you wouldn't be posting this. You would simply shift your attention to the ones that you are sexually attracted to.

Tell her that you aren't looking for a serious relationship right now. Let her actions to that guide you. If she is down to just fvck and you decide you're ok with that, she becomes your bottom plate, or a plate while you find more.

If she only wants a relationship, she is cutting herself loose.

It's a win win.
 

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From my experience, if I'm not attracted and I take her to bed, I have performance issues. Like you, I don't like women with extra weight and it's almost an immediate next for me.
 

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My question is what do you guys do when a women is clearly not exactly what you want but shows interest ?
I would ask her "Do you have any attractive female friends for me?"

I did that a few times in my younger days. Didn't go over too well...:cool:
 

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OP- if you had more options NOW, you wouldn't be posting this. You would simply shift your attention to the ones that you are sexually attracted to.

Tell her that you aren't looking for a serious relationship right now. Let her actions to that guide you. If she is down to just fvck and you decide you're ok with that, she becomes your bottom plate, or a plate while you find more.

If she only wants a relationship, she is cutting herself loose.

It's a win win.
You are so correct man, if I had better options I wouldn't even think twoce about her.

In my current situation i find it difficult to meet new girls. Either trough social circle which is limited or old which is unreliable.

And cold approach i am not comfortable with + I live in a village about 30 minutes away from the next town (I still live with my parents as student)
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Concentrate on sports studies and networking to get that first job. Woman don't build your life up you need to do that
 

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@dustmuffin found your toupee yet ?

Also what do you call a whale ? Because i find a women with flab belly extremely unattractive cause they are not even fat but with a little bit of effort they could have a nice body.

Even my mom at 50 has a flat belly while doing no sport appart from walking the dog.
 
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@dustmuffin found your toupee yet ?

Also what do you call a whale ? Because i find a women with flab belly extremely unattractive cause they are not even fat but with a little bit of effort they could have a nice body.

Even my mom at 50 has a flat belly while doing no sport appart from walking the dog.
I have f uck ed chubby women that were wild in the sack. Little flab on the belly is no big deal. I was very picky when I was younger. She was flat chested, big ass, stuff like that as disqualifiers. Looking back I regret it. I missed out on some easy sex. A land whale is just that. An enormous montain of flesh.

You have to have standards. But if they are too high you might miss out on some great sex. F uck them once. If it was good go back for more. If not move along. I'm not looking for a girlfriend. I want sex and entertainment.
 
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