Value and Pedestalling

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One of the biggest mistakes AFCs make is in their assignment of value. They overvalue women and undervalue themselves. Any time that a man assigns a higher level of value to a woman than he does to himself, he has put her on a pedestal and has probably made a correct assignment of value.

If AFCs ever become game aware and start to recalibrate their value gauges, they tend to make a different mistake in value assignment and overvalue themselves and undervalue women. Some guys never get beyond this point.

Without getting in to another discussion about hypergamy, I think it is innate and usually unaware knowledge of its existence that drives guys to make the value assignments that they do. AFCs may or may not have self image problems; if they do, they will certainly assign themselves lower value. If they have a healthy sense of self image, they almost certainly have a worldview that has been predicated by feministic ideals. When you believe that feeling or acting attracted to a woman is bad, that you have to go out of your way to be nice to women, and that you can't even be true to your masculine nature around women, even the most simple minded people have to be capable of putting some subconscious ideas together here:

Why is this necessary? People go out of their way like that for royalty, their deity, and maybe their superiors at work. It's the reason why you would tell a sexually suggestive joke to your bros and verbally oogle a woman with your bros, but if you believed in God and even a simple version of Christian morality, you wouldn't say those same things in the physical presence of Jesus (take the analogy for what it is, don't get side tracked on a religious debate).

So why give women that same level of treatment? By treating them different than everyone else in society, it is implied that they have higher value. If they didn't, they wouldn't get the special treatment.

Hypergamy influences this value assumption because on an innate level, even AFCs realize there is competition in the marketplace (hence the phrase, "she's out of my league") and their assignment of value ultimately represents the degree to which they define their own competitiveness and value.

For example, I suck so bad at basketball that it's not even cool. I have no ball handling skills, I struggle with layups. I am just absolutely horrible. If I knew I was going to play one and one with Lebron James I wouldn't place any expectation on my ability to win. And even though I would still absolutely lose if I went in to the game with a 100% winner's attitude, the fact that I go in to the game with an assumption of failure secures my loss that much more.

It so happens though that as AFCs begin to see the light, they realize something very important:

You assign yourself the greatest portion of your value.

As Rollo says, the greatest threat to a woman is a man who understands his value in the sexual marketplace.

Another example: If I've never played poker before but someone gets me in on a game and I think I've got a good hand, how much better will I play than if I thought I had a bad hand? If I thought I had a bad hand, I would play very defensively around my stake in the game to attempt not to lose it; if I thought I had a great hand, I would absolutely take more risks because I would want to increase my stake.

It's time to go on to something else. I've already typed all of this and don't want to leave it unfinished, but I don't want to type anymore either.

 

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One of the biggest mistakes AFCs make is in their assignment of value. They overvalue women and undervalue themselves. Any time that a man assigns a higher level of value to a woman than he does to himself, he has put her on a pedestal and has probably made a correct assignment of value.

If AFCs ever become game aware and start to recalibrate their value gauges, they tend to make a different mistake in value assignment and overvalue themselves and undervalue women. Some guys never get beyond this point.

Without getting in to another discussion about hypergamy, I think it is innate and usually unaware knowledge of its existence that drives guys to make the value assignments that they do. AFCs may or may not have self image problems; if they do, they will certainly assign themselves lower value. If they have a healthy sense of self image, they almost certainly have a worldview that has been predicated by feministic ideals. When you believe that feeling or acting attracted to a woman is bad, that you have to go out of your way to be nice to women, and that you can't even be true to your masculine nature around women, even the most simple minded people have to be capable of putting some subconscious ideas together here:

Why is this necessary? People go out of their way like that for royalty, their deity, and maybe their superiors at work. It's the reason why you would tell a sexually suggestive joke to your bros and verbally oogle a woman with your bros, but if you believed in God and even a simple version of Christian morality, you wouldn't say those same things in the physical presence of Jesus (take the analogy for what it is, don't get side tracked on a religious debate).

So why give women that same level of treatment? By treating them different than everyone else in society, it is implied that they have higher value. If they didn't, they wouldn't get the special treatment.

Hypergamy influences this value assumption because on an innate level, even AFCs realize there is competition in the marketplace (hence the phrase, "she's out of my league") and their assignment of value ultimately represents the degree to which they define their own competitiveness and value.

For example, I suck so bad at basketball that it's not even cool. I have no ball handling skills, I struggle with layups. I am just absolutely horrible. If I knew I was going to play one and one with Lebron James I wouldn't place any expectation on my ability to win. And even though I would still absolutely lose if I went in to the game with a 100% winner's attitude, the fact that I go in to the game with an assumption of failure secures my loss that much more.

It so happens though that as AFCs begin to see the light, they realize something very important:

You assign yourself the greatest portion of your value.

As Rollo says, the greatest threat to a woman is a man who understands his value in the sexual marketplace.

Another example: If I've never played poker before but someone gets me in on a game and I think I've got a good hand, how much better will I play than if I thought I had a bad hand? If I thought I had a bad hand, I would play very defensively around my stake in the game to attempt not to lose it; if I thought I had a great hand, I would absolutely take more risks because I would want to increase my stake.

It's time to go on to something else. I've already typed all of this and don't want to leave it unfinished, but I don't want to type anymore either.

I will take this a step further.

ou want to know what is worse than a guy who does not know his value in the sexual market place?


a guy who knows his value, and realizes rather consciously or subconsciously,that it's not particularly high.

If you stick around this site as long as i have, you see two very distinct camps.. you see people who seriously get it and have zero problem with dates, and you see people who are actually worse off then when they got here.

There is a very particular reason for that. If you are a man of value, and you realize it, you gain the advantage, or you hone what you need to hone to show off your value.


If you are not a man of value, giving you the red pill just makes your situation worse beucase now you see just how ****ty of a situation you are in or that you see that you have to do these things to become a man of value it's not going to be as easy as say this peacock that and you realize or take the stance that this is too much work required for me to become a man of value so I will channel my energy somewhere else.

everyone likes to throw out the man of value, every man has a different value no different than every car has a different MSRP. Value is quite subjective, and telling yourself that you have value, when you don't, will get you no where but a date with miss palm


something i did, when i was younger, like 18 years old, i have always been what you would deem a dreamer. even now I am. i wrote down a list of the things that i would like to be in one coloum and then in the other i took an honest assessment of what I honestly am.

it's only when those 2 things are one, or you are well on the clear path to making them one, that you can say you are a man of value.

 

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a guy who knows his value, and realizes rather consciously or subconsciously,that it's not particularly high.

Yea, that's true. But I don't think that's where the story ends even though quite a few guys let it end there.

Let's say you're some poor guy who's got just enough money for a used car. So you buy it. And it's a sh*t piece of trash car, but at least it runs. I don't know a whole lot about cars, but I've got this buddy who is a car nut. He's almost done with this mechanical engineering program and has always wanted to work for Ford. This guy has done pieces of magic with cars.

He has taken cars that have looked like they would fall apart if you looked at them the wrong way and turned them in to seriously awesome machines.

In other words, he made a car with what was probably a negative MSRP to begin with and gave it substantial value. Now it was never going to compete with the value of a Ferrari, but that isn't the point.

When I say that a person is the largest determinant of their own value, it means that they can just think extra value in to existence. Maybe they could if a new thought perspective gave them an extra boost of confidence or enlightened them in some way. But look man, at the end of the day adding value takes serious work.

It's the same kind of work it takes to accomplish anything great in life, and the reason why

you see people who seriously get it and have zero problem with dates, and you see people who are actually worse off then when they got here.

Happens.

I know you are not a big proponent of college, but I'm going to use it as an example. There is this kid I know that is a really nice guy, but he's just not quite all there mentally. He's younger, so he went off to college a few years ago and literally almost failed out his first year. He was never a genius, but he is also not an idiot. He just really doesn't have a lot of common sense and is like the male equivalent to a dumb blonde.

Well, my dad had been mentoring him and he comes back from school on academic probation and about ready to be kicked out. He got like straight D's or something like that. And my dad asks him wtf happens because he did pretty good in high school. The guy said he didn't know. My dad's not an idiot, he is a doctor and probably the smartest man I have ever known. So he starts asking him some questions and finally asks him about his study habits. The kid didn't know what he was talking about. It turns out, he never opened a book the entire time he was in college and acted like he had no idea you were supposed to do work outside of class in order to do well!

Well so he goes back to college the next semester and he does a little bit better, basically just enough to get off of academic probation. But he's still got like a C average or something like that.

What's the point? I think that kid, except for maybe his extreme lack of common sense (because I honestly think he may have been serious about thinking you weren't supposed to do that work) is like most other people in the world. They will take the easiest path even if they have had someone go out of their way to show them a better path. They will complain about the path they're on despite having been given a way out to a better path, but it doesn't matter because they don't want to do the work.

And I really think this is why some guys actually get it and it f*cks them up worse than they were before.

Some guys have mental/emotional problems like self esteem issues, mood disorders, depression, social anxiety, or something else... I mean, it does happen to men too. And they would probably benefit from a psychologist and maybe some medication. They understand what's going on intersexually, but they can't pull their sh*t together because they have a problem in their mind that is assigning them artificially lower value.

Some guys may have a physical problem. Maybe they're fat. Maybe they're tremendously out of shape. That describes the majority of a lot of states right now. And most people who are fat are not ever going to be anything else except for fat: http://evidencebasedfitness.blogspot.com/2012/01/burn-boats-why-youre-going-to-fail-or.html This guy doesn't cite any studies, but you can look them up on google scholar or pubmed. The neuroendocrine system predisposes some people to be fat and some people not to. If you're one of the people predisposed to be fat, it takes daily dedication not to be fat, and most people can't hack that.

Basically, I think the guys who have lower value are able to do things to raise it provided they are not actually mentally retarded or severely handicapped. That doesn't mean it will be easy and that's why it doesn't usually happen.