MAN_OF_TOMMOROW
Don Juan
Can too much Kino sway you into the FRIENDZONE?. Thoughts?
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
This got me thinking. Females are very physical beings. Girls that have friends who are girls tend to touch a lot, embrace, etc, etc. But their touches are in a more empathetic manner, a more caring manner, so to say. For example:If you poke girls and giggle and do feminine g8y sh1t they won't take you seriously as anything more than a sexually stunted friend.
Ok, well if there's context like a great sports play or something, and you've been dating the girl for a while then I think its fine...as long as its not the only thing you do. If you high five her and then give her a hug (an INTIMATE ONE, not one of those as$ out, we're-afraid-to-touch-our-lower-bodies-one) then it shouldn't cause any problems. Just make sure you don't limit your kino to friendship gestures only. A girl you're dating should be your friend too, so sharing an occasional "friend" moment is not bad for your game. People who disagree with that last sentence are wrong--just saying in advance.MAN_OF_TOMMOROW said:I mean like giving her the High five, fist spud and those sought of kino tactics? ..still spiraling down FRIENDSHIP STREET?
(Limit exceeded), Aha I don't mean throughout the date or just after it. I mean after a few good dates and everything is going how it should. Just a high-five asif the Lakers just ally-hooped something crazy. Its worked in the past for me, I just want to know everybodies thoughts on certain kino tactics.
So in other words your saying you cant be COOL / CRAZY with a chick or "YOURSELF" without it damaging your progress and pitting you into FZ? Thats the way I am, I like high fives, five handed punch-spuds when something has gained my approval.
base2ball2boy2 said:Hmmm... Interesting thought.
As I was reading through the replies, my attention was drawn to this comment by Ice882:
This got me thinking. Females are very physical beings. Girls that have friends who are girls tend to touch a lot, embrace, etc, etc. But their touches are in a more empathetic manner, a more caring manner, so to say. For example:
Let's say Girl 1 is good friends with Girl 2. And Girl 1 is dating Guy ! (because us guys deserve a cool !).
So one day, Girl 1's puppy dies (Cue "Awwwwww"). Girl 1 goes over to Girl 2's house. Girl 1 spills the news to Girl 2. They hug. And to deal with the emotions, they proceed to talk about feelings. The next day, on a hot date with Guy !, she tells him of the sad news. They hug. The guy lingers over the topic for a minute, but quickly comforts her by getting her mind off the puppy situation (which is the correct thing to do).
So there were two points of kino here: between Girl 1 and 2, and between Girl 1 and Guy !. And from what I've seen from girl-girl hugs (and not in the most excellent way, girls tend to lean forward into their hugs. Their shoulders will come in first, then followed by the rest of their body. This embrace takes a rather submissive approach. With the shoulder approach, it kinda seems like a girl is bowing into the hug- which, needless to say, is a submissive act.
Meanwhile, a guy will hug a girl all at once, sort of smothering her in his body. This can exude as much caring emotion as the girl-girl hug, but the way the guy goes about it is completely different. He takes the girl INTO his arms, sending the subliminal message that she is safe in HIS arms, nonetheless, a very dominant message.
So therefore, we can state that girls and guys kino differently- for the sake of simplicity, we'll call it the guy's way and the girl's way.
If you take the route of feminine kino, a submissive, caring, touchy-feely kino, you will be associated with the feelings that she shares for her friends that are girls (as we saw in the puppy example), so therefore, she will move you into the friendzone. For this is just basic logic- he evokes feelings in me that I share with my friends. So therefore, he must be a friend.
But if you kino in the guy's way (dominant, confident), I am positive that this will NOT lead you into the Friends Zone. For you will evoke safe and secure feelings in her. And this is just basic evolutionary feeling- if a female finds a safe and secure place to be, she will naturally want to reproduce with him because their child will be able to grow up without harm.
But I've rambled! You asked if "too much" kino will lead you to the friends zone.
And I'm going to have to say, YES.
So by using too much guy's kino, I'm assuming you solely do guy's kino for an extended period of time that was extended way too long over the correct period of time (Just reread that, it makes sense). If you use girl's kino, you're pretty much in the Friend Zone from the start.
Here's why:
If you kino too much, too long, the girl will start to think of you as a tease. "My, he can't mean anything. He touches me like a real man, but he's just nothing! He doesn't move beyond kino and take me to the next step! I want a man that can sweep me off my feet, take me to new place, and do new things! That reminds me of that hunk of a guy, base2ball2boy2! Mmmm... I'm gonna have to change these panties!"
This goes back to the core logic of the DJ principle.
But why can I say this? Because it's happened to me. I just never took the time to put it into thought- so kudos, MAN_OF_TOMORROW.![]()
Glad I could be of assistance.MAN_OF_TOMMOROW said:This was just the answer I was looking for and MORE. Cheers dude!
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
base2ball2boy2 said:Here's why:
If you kino too much, too long, the girl will start to think of you as a tease. "My, he can't mean anything. He touches me like a real man, but he's just nothing! He doesn't move beyond kino and take me to the next step! I want a man that can sweep me off my feet, take me to new place, and do new things! That reminds me of that hunk of a guy, base2ball2boy2! Mmmm... I'm gonna have to change these panties!"
This goes back to the core logic of the DJ principle.
But why can I say this? Because it's happened to me. I just never took the time to put it into thought- so kudos, MAN_OF_TOMORROW.![]()
base2ball2boy2 said:Hmmm... Interesting thought.
As I was reading through the replies, my attention was drawn to this comment by Ice882:
This got me thinking. Females are very physical beings. Girls that have friends who are girls tend to touch a lot, embrace, etc, etc. But their touches are in a more empathetic manner, a more caring manner, so to say. For example:
Let's say Girl 1 is good friends with Girl 2. And Girl 1 is dating Guy ! (because us guys deserve a cool !).
So one day, Girl 1's puppy dies (Cue "Awwwwww"). Girl 1 goes over to Girl 2's house. Girl 1 spills the news to Girl 2. They hug. And to deal with the emotions, they proceed to talk about feelings. The next day, on a hot date with Guy !, she tells him of the sad news. They hug. The guy lingers over the topic for a minute, but quickly comforts her by getting her mind off the puppy situation (which is the correct thing to do).
So there were two points of kino here: between Girl 1 and 2, and between Girl 1 and Guy !. And from what I've seen from girl-girl hugs (and not in the most excellent way, girls tend to lean forward into their hugs. Their shoulders will come in first, then followed by the rest of their body. This embrace takes a rather submissive approach. With the shoulder approach, it kinda seems like a girl is bowing into the hug- which, needless to say, is a submissive act.
Meanwhile, a guy will hug a girl all at once, sort of smothering her in his body. This can exude as much caring emotion as the girl-girl hug, but the way the guy goes about it is completely different. He takes the girl INTO his arms, sending the subliminal message that she is safe in HIS arms, nonetheless, a very dominant message.
So therefore, we can state that girls and guys kino differently- for the sake of simplicity, we'll call it the guy's way and the girl's way.
If you take the route of feminine kino, a submissive, caring, touchy-feely kino, you will be associated with the feelings that she shares for her friends that are girls (as we saw in the puppy example), so therefore, she will move you into the friendzone. For this is just basic logic- he evokes feelings in me that I share with my friends. So therefore, he must be a friend.
But if you kino in the guy's way (dominant, confident), I am positive that this will NOT lead you into the Friends Zone. For you will evoke safe and secure feelings in her. And this is just basic evolutionary feeling- if a female finds a safe and secure place to be, she will naturally want to reproduce with him because their child will be able to grow up without harm.
But I've rambled! You asked if "too much" kino will lead you to the friends zone.
And I'm going to have to say, YES.
So by using too much guy's kino, I'm assuming you solely do guy's kino for an extended period of time that was extended way too long over the correct period of time (Just reread that, it makes sense). If you use girl's kino, you're pretty much in the Friend Zone from the start.
Here's why:
If you kino too much, too long, the girl will start to think of you as a tease. "My, he can't mean anything. He touches me like a real man, but he's just nothing! He doesn't move beyond kino and take me to the next step! I want a man that can sweep me off my feet, take me to new place, and do new things! That reminds me of that hunk of a guy, base2ball2boy2! Mmmm... I'm gonna have to change these panties!"
This goes back to the core logic of the DJ principle.
But why can I say this? Because it's happened to me. I just never took the time to put it into thought- so kudos, MAN_OF_TOMORROW.![]()
No thank you, kind sir! I'm impressed that I could stun a veteran DJ like that. You just made my day.Igetit! said:FREAKIN' WOOOW DUDE.
I've never read or heard anything like that before in my ENTIRE LIFE.
I swear dude,it's like the more you learn,the more you find out just how little you know.
+1 rep.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.