Two different marks, two different religions--Advice needed--

[The Package]

Hey guys,
To start I'm a RAFC. I used to be good, lost confidence, getting it back however not one to start with an easy seduction I have decided to work two religious girls, both 18; one is a Catholic School girl, the other is muslim. both are easily a 9-10. since I am just starting my confidence levels are a little off. I am not a fan of a SS approach, I LIKE seduction, I like the slow and rythmic process and am willing to put in time to achieve these girls.

Catholic girl:
Full ride academic scholarship to my university
High School Athlete (swimming)
Probable virgin, also indicates that she wants a BF
seems a little intimidated by me, but very receptive.
having coffee with her after class on Friday
blonde with ice-blue eyes ---****ing HOT---

Muslim girl:
seems fairly liberal with practice of religion but it is evident that she has strong faith
dresses/acts almost completely western (no headwear, etc)
Also very intellegent, however parents paying for
full education
have been over to her house briefly for "school"
possibly the most beautiful girl I have ever seen however she does not convey that she knows how cute she is.

have #'s for both these girls, have a date with one and have been over to the others house.
I am a rather big guy (6'0" 220lbs) and pretty muscular so I go for the slightly goofy and unaware approach. I play like I don't really notice what is going on, slightly brash and I always get laughs with slightly off color jokes. I am a neghit master so no worries there.

Also working a bohemian type girl
Artistic
insecure
was raped in her teens, was briefly homeless in France about three years ago
very sensual, actually she seduced me! (which is where I screwed up)
went out 5-6 times and then she backed off. being a complete idiot I chased; called a few times, etc. have not talked to her in about a week and haven't seen her in 3. the problem is this. I DO NOT LOSE, period. I never lost before and I want to know if there is some way to fix this one. unlikely yes, but impossible? I don't think anything is impossible

Basically what I am asking is how to work around the religion issues. I am completely inexperienced there. Have read the layguide, the FAQ's etc but I need advice on how to proceed from a PUA or better.

I am in your debt.

Christopher

 

[Player_Supreme]

The french ho forget it. She is a bigger player and not worth the effort

 

[Walden]

Play thru and never assume the block. Make the ho say no , make the *girl* say *my-religeon-forbids-me-unless-you're-willing-to-marry-me-change-your-life-style-stop-eating-ham-and-cut-bits-off-any-girl-babies-we-may-have.*

 

[The Package]

posted this on another board, but a few of them decided to knock me regarding my use of words, so to clarrify:

I'm not a true player, nor do I need to be. I read and try to understand as much as I can and then form my own vibe. I do truly appreciate how delicate negs can be but they CAN work wonders if used correctly.

I'm not really looking for what I'm doing wrong, I can usually feel through that on my own. What I am looking for is potential strategy, that's what I love about seduction is the game of it. what should I be prepared for, some things I should try to lure them out, etc.

For me, that is enjoyment, however I am new to this scene (college) was in the navy. Not used to religious girls or virgins for that matter. that's the kind of advice I'm looking for. Hope that makes more sense

And lastly, I have never been played (to my knowledge) do I get rejected? ALL THE TIME. but rejection is a positive thing, I don't mind that. With the bohemian girl I feel outmanuvered and I don't like it. I do not lose, I want to turn the tables on this girl simply to win. It's slightly spiteful I know however seduction is an amoral game. I just figured you guys would know better than I what works on these personality types...

Anyway thanks again...