Trying to reconcile Pook with what I've learned

[teddy]

Pook talks about having "patience" and how it's the biggest element for his success. He stresses to let things "grow" and not to move too fast.

But....

This is counter to what I see actually works. If you're patient, you run the risk of becoming a confidante, seeking the relationship first before sex. Therefore, friend zone.

I mean...a girl doesn't have to actually "like" you to fvck you. It seems better to move quickly physically and find out where you stand. So I'm having trouble reconciling this.

 

[TheException]

Pook talks about having "patience" and how it's the biggest element for his success. He stresses to let things "grow" and not to move too fast.

But....

This is counter to what I see actually works. If you're patient, you run the risk of becoming a confidante, seeking the relationship first before sex. Therefore, friend zone.

I took that quote by Pook and seen it different than how you are interpreting it.

I think Pook meant to be patient AFTER you already have had sex with a woman....

A big mistake in the game, is how men act after they have sex with a woman. They tend to grow clingy and insecure. They essentially try to force a relationship with the woman before she is ready. So patience comes in and reinforces that prize mentality. She should be the one running you down and trying to get you into a relationship...not the other way around.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Can we get a quote OP?

This thread reminds me an idea.

 

[zekko]

A lot of what Pook wrote was specific to himself. I don't think he ever intended his writings to be taken as universal truths. It was more along the lines of "This is what I'm going through, maybe you can relate".

 

[DragonBlood]

What pook is alluding to is that patience comes with experience.

This is not about avoiding physical escaltion but just knowing how to pick your battles. Sometimes asking a girl out who initially bawks at the idea may months later come back to the idea because you basically ignored her without a counter offer or chasing.

 

[teddy]

Can we get a quote OP?

This thread reminds me an idea.

It's from "What I've learned..."

"Of Seduction

It can be wise not to seduce too fast, to not get her between your sheets ASAP. Patience is always a good thing and lets things grow between you two.

Confident guys are confident because they know that it will come. If it is not now, then it will come. If it will come, then it is not now. Yet, it will come. I think patience has been the biggest element to my success than anything else."

I mean...that crap is what drove me to this site in the first place. "Working on a girl", show her all these things, so that she can see how awesome you are. Meanwhile, she's taking a c0ck in the back room.

original article: http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000265.html

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

In the first line he said it. He's looking for an LTR.

The healthiest LTR's are not with the chicks that are blowing you in the bathroom 5 minutes after you met them.

It's too much of a generalization to say that every chick would have given you a BJ in the bathroom 5 minutes after you met them. The quality chicks that wouldn't have, would have been pushed away by your "moving to fast."

That's my opinion on it. NAWALT.

Flame away.

Also, he states it later on:

For a healthy LTR, find a girl who likes you for who you are (gasp!), not one that likes you for the tricks you pull out of your sleave.

 

[teddy]

In the first line he said it. He's looking for an LTR.

The healthiest LTR's are not with the chicks that are blowing you in the bathroom 5 minutes after you met them.

It's too much of a generalization to say that every chick would have given you a BJ in the bathroom 5 minutes after you met them. The quality chicks that wouldn't have, would have been pushed away by your "moving to fast."

That's my opinion on it. NAWALT.

Flame away.

Also, he states it later on:

For a healthy LTR, find a girl who likes you for who you are (gasp!), not one that likes you for the tricks you pull out of your sleave.

I was under the impression that even for LTRs, one must still apply these principles (sex first, relationships later). That way you can choose those women that are worthy of being LTR-material.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Yes, sex always before the relationship, but that doesn't mean you always have to bang them on the first or second date.

Here's a good thread on this subject, if you 'd really like to see different view points on this. Lot's of opinions as well as me trying to defend the reasoning behind waiting for sex. I get flamed for it, but that's okay

On this board, if you're not banging on the first date, then the common theme is there's either something wrong with you or with the chick, or that she has alterior motives. That may be the case in some instances, but not all IMO. If a chick bangs on the first date she's just a slvt but if she waits she's a b1tch. If that's your take on it, and there's no middle ground, then, in your eyes, you will never find a quality woman for an LTR.

Also, you ever have a chick say to you: "shouldn't we wait?" Asking you to dictate where the relationship is going to go?

This thread was a while ago, but I'm still on board with my philosophy, mainly because it comes from actual real world experience with LTR's and or long term plates, not from a set of rules and procedures.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=207614

 

[BeDJ]

Yes, sex always before the relationship, but that doesn't mean you always have to bang them on the first or second date.

Here's a good thread on this subject, if you 'd really like to see different view points on this. Lot's of opinions as well as me trying to defend the reasoning behind waiting for sex. I get flamed for it, but that's okay

On this board, if you're not banging on the first date, then the common theme is there's either something wrong with you or with the chick, or that she has alterior motives. That may be the case in some instances, but not all IMO. If a chick bangs on the first date she's just a slvt but if she waits she's a b1tch. If that's your take on it, and there's no middle ground, then, in your eyes, you will never find a quality woman for an LTR.

Also, you ever have a chick say to you: "shouldn't we wait?" Asking you to dictate where the relationship is going to go?

This thread was a while ago, but I'm still on board with my philosophy, mainly because it comes from actual real world experience with LTR's and or long term plates, not from a set of rules and procedures.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=207614

Peaks, don't bring up that thread if you don't want to put the gloves back on again. :box:

No one is saying there is anything wrong with NOT banging on the first thread. If the opportunity came up and you deny, something is wrong, unless you have a very good explanation.
Your argument is that if you make a woman wait for sex, you will find a quality LTR. There's other ways to screen without giving yourself blue-balls or taking a hammer to your crotch.

"Of Seduction

It can be wise not to seduce too fast, to not get her between your sheets ASAP. Patience is always a good thing and lets things grow between you two.

Confident guys are confident because they know that it will come. If it is not now, then it will come. If it will come, then it is not now. Yet, it will come. I think patience has been the biggest element to my success than anything else."

I am almost positive that this was written AFTER he was exposed to SNL and the sexy time. I can relate to what he said above because I went through a parallel thought process. Patience as a virtue. Confidence in yourself to know that it's no longer about the pvssy, but it's about the pvssy to you. Just merely taking a glimpse of that path, you can foreshadow what will eventually happen.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Peaks, don't bring up that thread if you don't want to put the gloves back on again. :box:

I lost that battle, a good man knows when it's time throw in the towel, but deep down, I knew the war wasn't over. I had never forgotten this thread, it was burned into me. I was just laying still...waiting....for the perfect moment....

And it arrived.

Think I'm ready for round two.

(I just hope I didn't twist Pook's words too much in my favor. I did play the role of innocent victim pretty well though IMO.)

Your argument is that if you make a woman wait for sex, you will find a quality LTR.

NO. That's not my argument, I'm not talking about some chick who's laying on your bed with her legs spread wide open. I'm saying it's okay not to push for it if she's putting up sincere resistance. Like you know, pulling out every trick in the book to get her panties off, as if you're never going to see her again. The set up, the tease, the foreplay, sometimes waiting for the right time, is okay. Not always at 3Am when you won't remember it anyways.

^^^^and I'm only talking about chicks you want to see again, obviously, plates or LTR's.