took drugs and was clingy!!!

[DoctorLW]

Methylenedioxymethamphetamine- That is the correct spelling. And it has everything to do with X... it is X. MDMA

What?

Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is MDMA.

Methamphetamine is crystal meth.

They are not the same thing and are very different chemicals.

lol look it up if you want, when I talk about anything - I take responsibility for my words, im Soviet.

With all due respect, I'm not saying you are lying... I'm saying what you believe is just wrong and misinformation. You're trying to tell someone who has strong chemistry background that two very different compounds are similar because they share methamphetamine in the name.

I really shouldn't need to go into how the addition of a single atom in a molecule, or a different isomer, or an atom in a different position on the chain can make an enormous different in chemical properties. That's not even the case with meth and MDMA, which have enormous structural differences due to the addition of the methlenedioxy group (hence the MD in the MDMA) on the benzene ring.

 

[splinterkb]

I know they're not the same. Someone said Methylenedioxymethamphetamine isnt X, which it is. I know they are different chemicals, but crystal meth is in X too.

 

[DoctorLW]

The difference is that drinking is legal.

Drinking may be legal but in terms of harmful / addictive properties, it is definitely up there with the very worst of them.

To the original poster... I don't think you were clingy because of the drugs, especially if she is the dealer she would expect you to act like you are on MDMA. But I wouldn't suggest trying to hit on a girl while you are rolling, if it was any good it's a pretty overwhelming experience to try and game a girl. Next time hit on her before or after, no rush.

 

[DJVladdy]

'X', extasy, MDMA, 'E' ... all the same sh*t, just different names.

Ok, since you're a doctor I'm not arguing with you, but I do know that these drugs have similar effects, and both are bad for you. We're not comparing heroin to weed here... we're comparing things that are derivatives of the same type of a narcotic.

Also, I know that a small change in structure can change the molecule... just an extra methyl group CH3 added to amphetamine/adderall/"speed" will make a new substance ("meth") more soluble in the lipids of your brain and more powerful and addictive... thus making a relatively harmless drug into a deadly one. All with a minor addition.

 

[splinterkb]

'X', extasy, MDMA, 'E' ... all the same sh*t, just different names.

Ok, since you're a doctor I'm not arguing with you, but I do know that these drugs have similar effects, and both are bad for you. We're not comparing heroin to weed here... we're comparing things that are derivatives of the same type of a narcotic.

Also, I know that a small change in structure can change the molecule... just an extra methyl group CH3 added to amphetamine/adderall/"speed" will make a new substance ("meth") more soluble in the lipids of your brain and more powerful and addictive... thus making a relatively harmless drug into a deadly one. All with a minor addition.

I see what you're saying, but amphetamines are hardly harmless. This is the kind of thinking that gets people killed.. they think its not a bad drug so they try mixing it with say.. some downers.. and there you go.. heath ledger all over again.

 

[DoctorLW]

'X', extasy, MDMA, 'E' ... all the same sh*t, just different names.

Ok, since you're a doctor I'm not arguing with you, but I do know that these drugs have similar effects, and both are bad for you. We're not comparing heroin to weed here... we're comparing things that are derivatives of the same type of a narcotic.

Also, I know that a small change in structure can change the molecule... just an extra methyl group CH3 added to amphetamine/adderall/"speed" will make a new substance ("meth") more soluble in the lipids of your brain and more powerful and addictive... thus making a relatively harmless drug into a deadly one. All with a minor addition.

The thing is though, it is a pretty ridiculous comparison. MDMA is relatively safe (pure MDMA is very safe, but obtaining a pure tablet is very difficult) wheras it doesn't get much worse than Meth as far as permanent damage and addiction potential. Unfortunately due to a Ricaurte study on the neurotoxicity of MDMA, a study in which the compound tested was actually meth and labeled as MDMA by mistake, there is a huge misconception on this issue. They share the fact that they both have stimulant effects, but that pretty much is the extent of it. Surely you wouldn't consider MDMA and Cocaine the same thing would you?

Finally, I would hardly call adderall a harmless drug. Far from it. Adderall, by the way, is farrrr more like methamphetamine than MDMA is. It's thinking like this that I responded to this thread in the first place. There is so much misinformation on drugs out there people base a drug's safety on its legality. In the meantime you have countless adderall, ambien, and oxycontin addicts who think nothing is wrong with them simply because their drug is legal.

That's my problem with this issue. Again, not trying to give offense here, but you are purporting common misinformation and most people would probably agree with you if they didn't have some sort of background in the area. I'm just trying to shed light on the issue.

 

[mintxx]

The difference is that drinking is legal.

suggesting that whether something is legal will have some bearing on a determination of whether a person who undertakes that activity is of a certain intelligence is..

retarded

 

[DJVladdy]

Taking oxycontin is suicide I'm aware.
But ambien is a sleeping pill... I tried it once, and it just made me nauseous, and feeing very weak. I was like: wtf is this?? How does it make people sleep better.

...And the sad part is that doctors prescribe all these poisons (yea I admit, including adderall) like candy. And if you ask your doctor: what are the long term effects? Is it safe to stay on it? duhh i dont know, i dont know...
Jeez, and if you ask them about stuff like work out supplements like creatine, whey protein - they'll look at you llike you're speaking Chinese. Mom had a blood clot that magically disappeared after a couple of weeks... should I keep taking coumadin? Decrease the dose? Uhhh yea, stay on it for now, it's up to you... WOW. "give me the phone number of your pharmacy, we'll fax a refill of your ritalin"... No doctor, it's a narcotic, by law pharmacies won't fill it unless they see a hard paper script. "No, they will... it's not a narcotic, but it's an uhh "unusual medication". No **** sherlock, 15 mins later doctor calls me says yea, they didn't let us call in. I'm a pharmacy tech, this lady comes in with an oxy script... no strength, no date, not even a patient's full name... I looked at her like "are you s*itting me"... felt like calling the doc, to ask her what should I do with this script, wipe my a$s with it? I skip an exam that I wasn't ready to take and told another doctor my stomach hurts... they asked me a bunch of questions and at teh end gave me some pills for heartburn (with an excuse note of course). lol i did not list any heartburn symptoms at all, how they came up with that conclusion I got no idea.

My "concerns could go on and on"... but for the love of God, Doctor LW, if you're a physician, I hope you aren't like that, and know what you're doing, and genuinely try to help your patients. All I'm gonna say.

 

[splinterkb]

I hope you realize the doctors only know what you tell them. Every person is different and can react differently to everything. There are so many factors that could be involved I wouldn't even know where to start. Sometimes its the patient that is the one to blame, because the doctor just takes what you tell them and makes sense of it. They aren't psychics.

 

[MooseGod]

BACK to topic...

Yeah, bad idea. Don't mix business with pleasure. If anything she'll just throw your sexual interest into her bag of manipulative tricks to further her 'business' interests. Don't give her enough rope to hang you with.