Too easy: impediments to progress

[Zarky]

Been reading another thread where a poster talks about all the money he makes and the spends on women.

Realized that there are some things that can be so good that they cripple your ability to learn seduction.

1) Too much money/fame. As I said before, any shmuck can get p*ssy (and good p*ssy too) by simply throwing money at women. This teaches you nothing.

2) Too good looking. You'll ride the coattails of your tall, ripped, tanned physique and your handsome David Beckham-esque face. You don't have to try.

3) Too many possibilities. I fall into this trap all the time, and so do pretty much all guys who do internet dating. You can contact 100 women a day online. In a week you're bound to find a couple of bored sluts or desperate moms. You get lazy and instead of learning you simply move to the next prospect.

I'm not saying that, in moderation, these are bad things. Every guy should look his best, put himself in a position where there isn't a scarcity of women, and try to live a good lifestyle. But when you have so much of one that you use it as a crutch, then your learning and advancement cease.

Sosuave is not the place to post FRs about how you dropped a grand at a strip club and got two chicks to blow you. Post that on The Erotic Review.

Sosuave is not the place to post FRs about how you're the biggest guy at the gym and all the ladies stare at you and want your number. That goes on the bodybuilding forums.

And sosuave isn't the place (and I make this mistake a lot) where you post about the 450 cut-and-paste emails you sent out on POF last week and got 3 cougar lays in one weekend from them.

I think my learning has been stunted by the insane number of (rather mediocre) options online. I'm looking for a way to change that.

 

[juicywa]

im not sure i understand the problem

i'll take any of those shortcuts so i can do other things. life is too short

 

[drak_ool]

Been reading another thread where a poster talks about all the money he makes and the spends on women.

wow, I wonder who you're talking about here?

Here's the thing you don't get: it's all about self-improvement. I was not born into a rich family. In fact, my dad had to struggle into his early forties until he started making a comfortable living, especially given the number of kids he has. Growing up I was living in an apartment the size of an average room in a normal american house. Whatever money I have now, I earned through hard work, lots of studying, and dedication to grow my own firm and hunt down clients. Nothing was given to me, I earned it.

To me "game" is just one aspect of self-improvement. If you really want to bang the hottest chicks you can get, game alone will not do it. You need to improve other aspects of your life. How do you think the biggest guy at the gym got that way? He was born with a six pack and the ability to bench press 350lbs? No, he got there through hard work and putting in thousands of hours at the gym.

Game is always needed, of course. But I think that you can reach a point where putting too much emphasis on improving your game actually becomes a detriment to your game, as you neglect other self-improvement areas of your life.

 

[Zarky]

I was actually referring to bigneil

I'm not disparaging any of them, I'm disparaging the over-reliance on them.

Look at Robert Pattinson for an example. Money + Fame + Looks + Options. No game. Cheated on very publicly by his (ex?) girlfriend.

 

[BigSmooth]

I was actually referring to bigneil

I'm not disparaging any of them, I'm disparaging the over-reliance on them.

Look at Robert Pattinson for an example. Money + Fame + Looks + Options. No game. Cheated on very publicly by his (ex?) girlfriend.

Kristen Stewart is just an untalented P.O.S who probably was sucking off her director so she could land an acting gig.

 

[Zarky]

And your point is... ?

 

[Scars]

The thing is, most men with wealth/fame generally had to work for it (there are some exceptions though). They also know some sort of game, or became naturals. By focusing on their goals more than women, they flocked to him anyway, even before his wealth. It's one of the prime things we teach here at SS. Stay busy. Whether it's college, a hobby, sports, whatever.. it's what keeps your mind relaxed, and off of the AFC oneitis mindset.

Too good looking.. Useless without game. My wingman is extremely good looking (no homo), and he doesn't have to try at all to get female attention. He also has incredible game though, and has banged quite a lot more women than I have. I used to get jealous, and I still do from time to time. But it only means I have to work harder. On the flipside, I know other males that you could consider good looking or having nice bodies that completely bomb with woman. I will agree, these types of guys have it easier, and most don't even have to approach at all, because woman approach THEM. But it's also useless if you can't finish the job.

As for too many possibilities, I will agree there's not too much to learn from it. Other than realizing that most woman are flakes. But it's also a learning process. Asking 500 woman if they wanna bang isn't too classy, but there is also some follow up game involved. I've met skanks on the internet who were easy lays, but I still had to sugar coat my intentions and add some play sexual innuendos. Idk how it is nowadays. It was pretty easy a few years ago, but also pretty fun.

Point is, when a guy gets laid it's still exciting. I'm 30+ in my number and banging a new chick is still awesome. Even if I went about it in a way that seems un-DJ-like.

I can understand your frustration, but let's not player hate now ya hear?

I guess at the end of the day it all depends on your moral code. I agree with you in some ways. But you better bet your ass if I became a millionaire over night I'd have no problem buying strippers and taking them home with me to bang, while yall are "working" for it, I'm just GETIN IT SON.

-Scars

 

[Desdinova]

Good post!

One thing that men don't realize when they use money to attract women is that money can buy attention, but it CANNOT buy attraction.

My gf's sister met a guy who was going to school to become a doctor. Anyway, she went on a vacation and blew all her money on crap. The guy (who was obviously attracted to her) wired her $7000 he got from his student loan. In return, she let him take her out on a few dates and buy her dinner. Then she went and fvcked her other sister's friend's bf who never gave her one red cent.

 

[Zarky]

The thing is, most men with wealth/fame generally had to work for it (there are some exceptions though). They also know some sort of game, or became naturals.

Ummm... most rich guys are either "naturals" or somehow learned how to seduce women because they're successful at business? I'd love to know how you logically came to that conclusion.

 

[omega05]

im not sure i understand the problem

i'll take any of those shortcuts so i can do other things. life is too short

yea i dont understand this thread either. So he's saying I shouldnt be a built guy who has a lot of money and smash cougars?

 

[Scars]

Ummm... most rich guys are either "naturals" or somehow learned how to seduce women because they're successful at business? I'd love to know how you logically came to that conclusion.

By acquiring wealth, you naturally gain DJ attributes. Such as, not giving a fvck. Woman will approach you anyway, and you can ultimately pass any sh!t test. Yes, there are rich men who get used and abused, most rich men are pretty conscience about their money. I'm sure a lot of them know they're being used too and just don't care.

If you want to argue that having money is cheating, then I guess you feel the same way about muscles? A lot of guys go to the gym just for chicks too.

Having wealth/success keeps you busy, you don't really have time for woman's BS. The girls come easy, but you also need to know how to close them.

Having wealth/success also makes you naturally extremely CONFIDENT. I mean, why wouldn't you be confident if you knew you were sitting on a couple mil?

Having wealth/success makes you high status. You slowly and naturally learn to adapt to this mindset. DHV just becomes natural to you. You do it every time you speak, you do it anytime you simply walk into a room..

I really don't understand why you're bashing rich guys. Isn't that something you want to strive for? Wouldn't financial wealth be nice? And if you suddenly became rich, do you think you would just magically forget game? I doubt it.

Point is, most rich men (who worked for it) attract woman. Not only because they have money, but because they had a dream and they made it happen. An attribute that we all know woman find sexy.

-Scars

 

[BigSmooth]

And your point is... ?

That you using Pattinson's situation to back up your argument is flawed.

 

[Zarky]

By acquiring wealth, you naturally gain DJ attributes.

Nah, there are plenty of rich guys who are chumps.

That you using Pattinson's situation to back up your argument is flawed.

I'm not seeing the nexus there. She's a slut therefore he has game? Makes no sense.