"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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To Text or Call? - only young djs (18-24)

Kenny Powers

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I'm 23 and would much prefer to call a girl i've just met instead of texting her as it is a good way to separate yourself from all the AFCs and girls can be real flaky with texts. That being said I feel like young girls (24ish and younger) are extremely uncomfortable talking to a guy on the phone who they don't know well.

I'm not saying this is a rule, just what i've noticed - granted i dont have a ton of experience. I feel like older guys on this site who say texting is for AFCs don't understand how uncomfortable younger girls are on the phone with guys they've just met.

Am I wrong?

Honestly, I struggle to imagine myself meeting a girl at a party then calling her to make plans a few days later. Texting is just so much more convenient and less awkward for the girl.

But my success with texting hasn't been great so I'm considering mixing things up next time i get a girl's # and tell her that I dont text and if she's not ok with that then its not gonna work out or we're going to have to communicate via carrier pigeon or psychic waves. Thoughts?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Konada

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Is it less awkward and more convenient for you? It seems to me that you're using backwards rationalization instead. It means that either you didn't manage to interest the girls enough or they're just shy. I'm betting on the latter, hence the awkwardness.

I still prefer calling over messaging. It shows that you're decisive, confident enough to call and not hiding yourself over a wall of text. I believe in sincerity and to me calling is the best way to show that you're serious about this meetup. Also I find that girls tend to flake over texts more than calls, its happened so many times on this forum its not funny.
 

Strelok

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Im too old according to your request but being my gf in that age range just like her friends let me tell you something I observed.

When in doubt they flake or retreat, sms allow them to do it more easily, not that hard to type "sorry im busy my cat died when my auntie went to hospital" while during a phone call they dont usually have the courage to do so.

CALL in order to minimise the risk of flake and even better you can see their level of interest listening the tone of their voices.
Finally most of the girls are made to be led, be assertive be selfconfident and speak as a man and with some luck everything will go your way.
 

Scars

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To be honest, it doesn't really matter whether you call or text. High interest is high interest. However, I would lean towards phone calls because it's a little less flaky. A girl can just stop texting you in the middle of conversation. I think it's also a lot easier to DHV over the phone because there is a lot more elements involved (such as tone of voice, timing, and you can read them a little better). Anyone can can spit game over text/facebook, but over the phone it actually requires a little bit of skill.

Either way though, it doesn't really matter. I've had some f-buddies that I never talked once with over the phone.

High interest is high interest.

-Scars
 

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The thing about text messages is that girls answer them whenever it's convenient for them. For you, low risk, low reward. Plus they text their girlfriends all the time so what's to say you're not just another nice guy friend in the same boat.
On the other hand, while a girl might be legitimately busy and miss a phone call, she will not ignore a text message if she has any IL. That's the convenience factor working in your favor.
Personally, I would text a girl if I met her through a social circle and we're already sorta friends/acquaintances. Otherwise, call.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Scars said:
To be honest, it doesn't really matter whether you call or text. High interest is high interest. However, I would lean towards phone calls because it's a little less flaky. A girl can just stop texting you in the middle of conversation. I think it's also a lot easier to DHV over the phone because there is a lot more elements involved (such as tone of voice, timing, and you can read them a little better). Anyone can can spit game over text/facebook, but over the phone it actually requires a little bit of skill.

Either way though, it doesn't really matter. I've had some f-buddies that I never talked once with over the phone.

High interest is high interest.

-Scars
Doesn't matter what you do, if she's going to flake she's going to flake. I text because it's easy for both parties.
 

Masculinity

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This is very simple:

Text = You're a pvssy.

Call = You're a man.

Next question :rolleyes:
 

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Kenny Powers said:
I'm 23 and would much prefer to call a girl i've just met instead of texting her as it is a good way to separate yourself from all the AFCs and girls can be real flaky with texts. That being said I feel like young girls (24ish and younger) are extremely uncomfortable talking to a guy on the phone who they don't know well.

I'm not saying this is a rule, just what i've noticed - granted i dont have a ton of experience. I feel like older guys on this site who say texting is for AFCs don't understand how uncomfortable younger girls are on the phone with guys they've just met.

Am I wrong?

Honestly, I struggle to imagine myself meeting a girl at a party then calling her to make plans a few days later. Texting is just so much more convenient and less awkward for the girl.

But my success with texting hasn't been great so I'm considering mixing things up next time i get a girl's # and tell her that I dont text and if she's not ok with that then its not gonna work out or we're going to have to communicate via carrier pigeon or psychic waves. Thoughts?
The reason people like to text now is because people are dumber. They can't think of good things to say fast enough and texting is a beautiful invention for this. If you call, you emanate confidence in your conversational skills and additionally catch them off guard. I actually wouldn't be surprised if 50%+ of the time, the girls you call just let it go to voicemail because they wouldn't know how to converse on a phone (the other 50%- would be the super high IL IMO).

My advice? Go with a call. But of course, nothing is ever just that simple. Make sure the topic you are calling about warrants a call. Additionally, know where you want to take the conversation so it is smooth and without silence.
 
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