corruptrelic
Senior Don Juan
Seeing how this forum seems to be so crowded with posts I thought I'd write my review (work in progess you could say) of Sexual Key (www.sexualkey.com)
Speed Seduction (by Ross Jeffries) is about 10 years now, released in 1993 and still going for $250+. I had to choose between Speed Seduction knowing how old it is (it's a shame they don't update it with a new basic version) and how bad their marketing is (if you send them emails if you even get a reply yates almost seems mad and doesn't really answer your questions..) or Sexual Key - cheaper, newer, and the guy who made it is is really helpful in the emails - before and after you buy it. So I went with Sexual Key.
Sexual Key includes 4 cds (3 cds the course, 1 cd "inner power" which I haven't tried but you wear it with headphones and relax and listen to what he says to "program" your mind for women, or so it says) all are fairly good quality recordings unlike the old 1993 SS cds.
Also includes 2 spiral-bound books, Gut Impact and Sexual Key (version 4.0 is the latest) as well as the transcripts to the cds.
It's worth noting that Sexual Key basically is Speed Seduction - just taught by a different instructor, it's all along the same lines, using NLP for seduction, improving your conversation with women and making them 'feel' things.
The #1 problem I have with Sexual Key is the learning curve - it is extremely tough to learn and it's not going to happen over night. The author seems to fast forward the course, introducing new terms and then new ones right after that, not giving you much time to adjust and understand what he just went over. There are some excercises and reviews at the end of each section but it still goes too fast. He doesn't have the Ross Jeffries teaching aura, RJ jokes around a lot and uses more simple terms, spends more time on each subject, while SK is more like watching a movie in fast forward and trying your best to see what's going on.
I have tried what I've learned so far online and in the real world, and it's definitely mixed. Since I'm not an SS expert (and never claim to be) I do make mistakes and the biggest one I made was with a girl who had a boyfriend, I tried to bypass him and feed her negative thoughts about him, without first building rapport. I jumped right in and screwed it up.. but that was just practice. (If you don't practice the things you learn, you'll never master it. It's one thing to read it and think about it, but it's another story when you go out and pratice what you learn.)
Sexual Key is less focused on patterns (remembering certain patterns for certain situations) although it does give quite a few samples. It's based on creating your own, on the fly, patterns, depending on the environment. The author says men and women are profoundly different, especially when it comes to words and emotions. When you hear a guy talking in SS you think "wow, what an idiot" but when a girl hears a guy talking like that to her she thinks "Finally, someone who's in touch with his emotions."
A guy might say "Yeah I went for a run" and the other guy is satisfied with that, but if he went on describing the experience, the other guy would quickly become bored with the unnecessary details, while a woman would find herself being turned on IF you describe it in a sexual metaphor. (You went for a run, what was the day like, what you were wearing, the run made you feel X - which in return made you feel X, almost like there was this lock inside of you that is dying to be opened by the right key, and so on. SS for the record doesn't make much sense online, you have to do it face to face to see the best results.)
Which of online - Sexual Key/SS does work to some extent, that it can make a girl you never met - want to meet you if she gives off that "its too soon" nonsense. I'm sure a lot of us have met girls online before and when we say lets meet up the girl starts throwing out excuses like "I need to get to know you better first" or "Its too soon!" why is she putting herself on meeting people online dating services, if she's not going to meet people online? Real life in the real world goes on regardless - which is a point you have to make to her. (SK doesn't mention this just from my own personal experience.)
For example as in with the real world, online you should be busy and take your time writing back to her - even a week to respond. Give her time to think about you. Within 3 or 4 emails you should have the date set. Keeping the C&F (****y & Funny) attitude, but throwing in SS especially talk of fate and "meant to be" (since most women believe things are meant to be.)
Mentioning another girl or a blind date your friend set you up with, will make the girl in question want to meet you more before the other girl gets to meet you.
Story telling is especially effective online and I've done this enough times (at least 10) to know that it's pretty effective.
One story I made up and sort of "cut & paste" to a few women is about sweeping her off her feet and taking her into her own world.
Start the email normally a bit C&F and then (by the way I just got home from work last night so I'm really tired, I hope this makes sense!
go into how you would meet her. Like if it's "too soon" (she says) you could say that's a shame but some things just aren't meant to be, oh well, maybe in another life we'll meet, perhaps at your work (if you find out where she works use this in the story so it's more believable), the rain will stop, the fog will clear, and a sedutive man will approach you from a distance. You can feel his energy getting closer and closer, warming the deepest parts of you, as he comes closer and closer, you are lost in his eyes.
I met a girl online who worked at a hospital so I went into the hospital - saying she was giving a sponge bath to an 84 year old patient without his shirt on but she could see me in the distance, everything became clear the closer I got to her. Then when I reached her I pointed in the other direction so she would look, and I chloroformed the old guy and when she turned around she saw he was gone, and before she could get suspicious, I put a finger tip on your lips, look deeply into your eyes, run my finger tips through your hair, take you into my arms and gently kiss your lips, allowing the energy between us to take us into our own world, away from every day life, away from every day stress, and even if just for one day, we did meet, and we had the experience of a lifetime, swept away for a day.
After I sent an email like this to the girl, she went crazy over it and changed her mind and wanted to meet. Have used it many times successfully even on one-itis, which suprisingly, worked. I talked about fate and how it would be impossible for us to fall in love (yet described it anyway) and she went on "anything is possible" and wanted to date. Long story.
But the real area is of course, the real world. My best experience was running a BJ pattern on a girl "friend" as we were driving by the beach in south beach. Traffic is jammed as always there so outside you can see the beach, the waves running up on the shores, the stars above us in the night sky, and so as I was using C&F on her (to the point of her hitting me playfully - I was accusing her of being a man in disguise) I jumped into SK's BJ pattern, this one memorized though. About how a friend of mine just loved the ocean, how she loved to go out and just, you know, get down on your knees, reach out into the ocean and touch the white foam, to gently press it to your lips and taste it, to swallow more of the foam, so that it warms the inside of her, it feeds you, nourishes you, and makes you feel incredible.
After I ran the pattern (among others) on her I started mentioning a hotel for the night and she was eager as ever to get one, she kept touching me and asking what we'd do at the hotel, so great, I just described it even more, while at the same time reached over and touched her more.
The problem was I just didn't feel anything for her! I knew her for like 2 years as just friends and I'm not really that attracted, so I brought her home instead of the hotel. Could I have gotten it though? Yes, 100% positive of that. She said on the phone afterwards we should have and asked why we didn't. Don't have her as a friend anymore now just because another girl came between us and she got really jealous and I ended up losing both of them.
My worst experience was with the girl with a boyfriend. I can look back on that and see exaclty what I did wrong though.
When you are talking to a girl - you are looking for things she say so you can feed it back to her, describe the feelings for her, and make them connect them back to you. You mirror her body language (very moderatly, you don't want to make it seem too obvious) so she feels more of a connection with you. If she uses the word "clear" a lot (you will notice people use certain words often, which you incorporate into your own vocabulary when you are in conversation with them) you use it back on her. It's always best to talk in "you" statements, you know?
Speed Seduction (by Ross Jeffries) is about 10 years now, released in 1993 and still going for $250+. I had to choose between Speed Seduction knowing how old it is (it's a shame they don't update it with a new basic version) and how bad their marketing is (if you send them emails if you even get a reply yates almost seems mad and doesn't really answer your questions..) or Sexual Key - cheaper, newer, and the guy who made it is is really helpful in the emails - before and after you buy it. So I went with Sexual Key.
Sexual Key includes 4 cds (3 cds the course, 1 cd "inner power" which I haven't tried but you wear it with headphones and relax and listen to what he says to "program" your mind for women, or so it says) all are fairly good quality recordings unlike the old 1993 SS cds.
Also includes 2 spiral-bound books, Gut Impact and Sexual Key (version 4.0 is the latest) as well as the transcripts to the cds.
It's worth noting that Sexual Key basically is Speed Seduction - just taught by a different instructor, it's all along the same lines, using NLP for seduction, improving your conversation with women and making them 'feel' things.
The #1 problem I have with Sexual Key is the learning curve - it is extremely tough to learn and it's not going to happen over night. The author seems to fast forward the course, introducing new terms and then new ones right after that, not giving you much time to adjust and understand what he just went over. There are some excercises and reviews at the end of each section but it still goes too fast. He doesn't have the Ross Jeffries teaching aura, RJ jokes around a lot and uses more simple terms, spends more time on each subject, while SK is more like watching a movie in fast forward and trying your best to see what's going on.
I have tried what I've learned so far online and in the real world, and it's definitely mixed. Since I'm not an SS expert (and never claim to be) I do make mistakes and the biggest one I made was with a girl who had a boyfriend, I tried to bypass him and feed her negative thoughts about him, without first building rapport. I jumped right in and screwed it up.. but that was just practice. (If you don't practice the things you learn, you'll never master it. It's one thing to read it and think about it, but it's another story when you go out and pratice what you learn.)
Sexual Key is less focused on patterns (remembering certain patterns for certain situations) although it does give quite a few samples. It's based on creating your own, on the fly, patterns, depending on the environment. The author says men and women are profoundly different, especially when it comes to words and emotions. When you hear a guy talking in SS you think "wow, what an idiot" but when a girl hears a guy talking like that to her she thinks "Finally, someone who's in touch with his emotions."
A guy might say "Yeah I went for a run" and the other guy is satisfied with that, but if he went on describing the experience, the other guy would quickly become bored with the unnecessary details, while a woman would find herself being turned on IF you describe it in a sexual metaphor. (You went for a run, what was the day like, what you were wearing, the run made you feel X - which in return made you feel X, almost like there was this lock inside of you that is dying to be opened by the right key, and so on. SS for the record doesn't make much sense online, you have to do it face to face to see the best results.)
Which of online - Sexual Key/SS does work to some extent, that it can make a girl you never met - want to meet you if she gives off that "its too soon" nonsense. I'm sure a lot of us have met girls online before and when we say lets meet up the girl starts throwing out excuses like "I need to get to know you better first" or "Its too soon!" why is she putting herself on meeting people online dating services, if she's not going to meet people online? Real life in the real world goes on regardless - which is a point you have to make to her. (SK doesn't mention this just from my own personal experience.)
For example as in with the real world, online you should be busy and take your time writing back to her - even a week to respond. Give her time to think about you. Within 3 or 4 emails you should have the date set. Keeping the C&F (****y & Funny) attitude, but throwing in SS especially talk of fate and "meant to be" (since most women believe things are meant to be.)
Mentioning another girl or a blind date your friend set you up with, will make the girl in question want to meet you more before the other girl gets to meet you.
Story telling is especially effective online and I've done this enough times (at least 10) to know that it's pretty effective.
One story I made up and sort of "cut & paste" to a few women is about sweeping her off her feet and taking her into her own world.
Start the email normally a bit C&F and then (by the way I just got home from work last night so I'm really tired, I hope this makes sense!
go into how you would meet her. Like if it's "too soon" (she says) you could say that's a shame but some things just aren't meant to be, oh well, maybe in another life we'll meet, perhaps at your work (if you find out where she works use this in the story so it's more believable), the rain will stop, the fog will clear, and a sedutive man will approach you from a distance. You can feel his energy getting closer and closer, warming the deepest parts of you, as he comes closer and closer, you are lost in his eyes. I met a girl online who worked at a hospital so I went into the hospital - saying she was giving a sponge bath to an 84 year old patient without his shirt on but she could see me in the distance, everything became clear the closer I got to her. Then when I reached her I pointed in the other direction so she would look, and I chloroformed the old guy and when she turned around she saw he was gone, and before she could get suspicious, I put a finger tip on your lips, look deeply into your eyes, run my finger tips through your hair, take you into my arms and gently kiss your lips, allowing the energy between us to take us into our own world, away from every day life, away from every day stress, and even if just for one day, we did meet, and we had the experience of a lifetime, swept away for a day.
After I sent an email like this to the girl, she went crazy over it and changed her mind and wanted to meet. Have used it many times successfully even on one-itis, which suprisingly, worked. I talked about fate and how it would be impossible for us to fall in love (yet described it anyway) and she went on "anything is possible" and wanted to date. Long story.
But the real area is of course, the real world. My best experience was running a BJ pattern on a girl "friend" as we were driving by the beach in south beach. Traffic is jammed as always there so outside you can see the beach, the waves running up on the shores, the stars above us in the night sky, and so as I was using C&F on her (to the point of her hitting me playfully - I was accusing her of being a man in disguise) I jumped into SK's BJ pattern, this one memorized though. About how a friend of mine just loved the ocean, how she loved to go out and just, you know, get down on your knees, reach out into the ocean and touch the white foam, to gently press it to your lips and taste it, to swallow more of the foam, so that it warms the inside of her, it feeds you, nourishes you, and makes you feel incredible.
After I ran the pattern (among others) on her I started mentioning a hotel for the night and she was eager as ever to get one, she kept touching me and asking what we'd do at the hotel, so great, I just described it even more, while at the same time reached over and touched her more.
The problem was I just didn't feel anything for her! I knew her for like 2 years as just friends and I'm not really that attracted, so I brought her home instead of the hotel. Could I have gotten it though? Yes, 100% positive of that. She said on the phone afterwards we should have and asked why we didn't. Don't have her as a friend anymore now just because another girl came between us and she got really jealous and I ended up losing both of them.
My worst experience was with the girl with a boyfriend. I can look back on that and see exaclty what I did wrong though.
When you are talking to a girl - you are looking for things she say so you can feed it back to her, describe the feelings for her, and make them connect them back to you. You mirror her body language (very moderatly, you don't want to make it seem too obvious) so she feels more of a connection with you. If she uses the word "clear" a lot (you will notice people use certain words often, which you incorporate into your own vocabulary when you are in conversation with them) you use it back on her. It's always best to talk in "you" statements, you know?
