"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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This is got to be hardest times in my adventure for change :S

R1ch4rd

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Everythings going great, in terms of who I am really. Body, mind, mindset. There is a few flaws I have to address, i read up on them and practice them some more.

I am no more an AFC. But now one problem, task........New friends:S

I have friends, about several and they are good friends.

But they are bit chumpish, and know like no sexy ladies. I mean I like them boys, always do. Nothing I dislike about them, it's just not me anymore.. I'm not ignoring them either.

I started a sixthform last week(for americans its like starting 11th grade in a new school)

Now i get along and do talk to some of these kids, if even begin hanging around with them, cracked a joke or too.

I'm not sure if this takes time, but alot of people, this one boy, is in classes with these people. Now I don't want to cateer my subjects i'm taking just to be with these girls and boys. But either way I'm rarely seeing them tbh.

1. The one option would be facebook chat.

2. Or a almost cold approachs to them while their with friends of walking to lessons.

and tbh I've got to build this up, but how to do it not to sound desperate or w/e is what I've got to figure out.

Advice is very welcome :)
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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jeffthechef

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Ok..you may not be an afc..

But regarding this problem, consider your question...You're asking how not to come off as desperate, and you're basically asking how to make friends.

I understand what you're doing. But I strongly dislike these types of questions, any question relating to social proof and popularity.

IF A GIRL ISN'T INTERESTED IN YOU BECAUSE YOU HANG OUT WITH UNPOPULAR KIDS OR KIDS THAT DON'T KNOW GIRLS, SHE'S TOO IMMATURE FOR YOU. However, if she's not interested in you because your friends do bad things or are people of bad character, then her actions are justified.

But, i think you said you want to make friends with these people because they know girls, that your current friends don't. My response would be: why do you need to make friends with those guys to get with those girls? Why not just go up to one of those girls and number close?

I've done it many times. I've never made friends with guys simply to get girls. If I don't know anyone who knows a girl i'm interested in, I go straight to the girl. Hell, i usually go straight to her even if i know someone who knows her.

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Think about your mindset. You're already coming from a position of inferiority. Why do you worry about how to befriend them? Be a confident man and socialize with them like your would with any other person. We're all people. The only way to screw things up is if you come off as inferior or insecure because they'll pick up on it, and thus see you as that.

Just talk to them when you see them. Make plans and invite them. That easy. If they like who you are, they'll become good friends.
 

War Against Betaism

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I know how you feel. It's not only about having new friends just so you can meet new women, it's just that when your game starts getting better and better, you feel like it's harder and harder to relate with your chump friends. I've been through there, and I hate to say that I simply ditched them because they weren't the greatest ladies men (I still see a lot of them from time to time, just not as frequently), but my interests simply just shifted. I didn't really want my main social subjects with my friends to be about video games, anime, basketball, I wanted to talk about women, dating, going to clubs, etc.

As for meeting new guy friends, that's a lot easier than trying to meet new girls. Just be an interesting and chill guy, just about every single man on this earth is capable of being an interesting guy, and there's no special training required at all. I've highlighted this in my most recent thread:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=164927

Just talk with confidence, act like an interesting guy, and you'll be set. Don't expect instant results.
 
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