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Yep, even the "hottest" ladies in these pics have one or two guys up on a pedastal somewhere. They stalk them, knowing everything about them.
So you pursuing them, acting like a female of their looks is "brand new" is acting like you have less worth than tthe guys they REALLY like. They always are going to like somebody.

They might admire your persistance, and think your even kinda good looking, but the way you ACT... But they might "use" you, and even give you some... But it won't be as much as the guys they desire....
 

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So you pursuing them, acting like a female of their looks is "brand new" is acting like you have less worth than tthe guys they REALLY like. They always are going to like somebody.

They might admire your persistance, and think your even kinda good looking, but the way you ACT... But they might "use" you, and even give you some... But it won't be as much as the guys they desire....
Back in cali, I always experienced this. I had women that liked me in social circles. And some of them were needy, although cute. We would go out to the clubs and guys more handsome than me would pursue them, not knowing these women were needy.

What this does is it creates cognitive dissonance. You value her more than she values herself. And thus, she has no choice but to see you as low value - and even lower valued than the guys she likes in her social circles, even if you were more handsome.

It's a psychological trick that has many high value guys in the clubs getting rejected by 6's and 7's. It doesn't add up.

It's like a Bermuda triangle of an anomaly that noone could explain.

How can a high value guy who gets 9's and 10's in his social circles go out and get rejected by 6's and 7's? Cognitive dissonance.

At least that's what I think the term is. I might be wrong. Cognitive dissonance might be her mind saying no but her body saying yes, like anti-slvt defense.

Alright, let's just call it image incongruency. There, I created a new term. She is an 8 who imagines herself to be a 6 because no guy in her social circles can tolerate her neediness and attention wh0ring behavior.

And she goes out to the smv market and every guy treats her like an 8. This creates a feeling of image incongruency and she has no choice but to see these guys as losers.

Hot women suffering from image incongruency are the most frustrating kind because you will see them leave the clubs with the ugliest guy that matches their inner congruency. And you will end up doubting yourself saying "What the hell just happened?"

Your best bet is to hit on an 8 who feels like an 8. These women often socialize in higher class venues in the VIP section with bottle service. They don't show up to sausage fests trying to soak up validation.
 
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Back in cali, I always experienced this. I had women that liked me in social circles. And some of them were needy, although cute. We would go out to the clubs and guys more handsome than me would pursue them, not knowing these women were needy.

What this does is it creates cognitive dissonance. You value her more than she values herself. And thus, she has no choice but to see you as low value - and even lower valued than the guys she likes in her social circles, even if you were more handsome.

It's a psychological trick that has many high value guys in the clubs getting rejected by 6's and 7's. It doesn't add up.

It's like a Bermuda triangle of an anomaly that noone could explain.

How can a high value guy who gets 9's and 10's in his social circles go out and get rejected by 6's and 7's? Cognitive dissonance.

At least that's what I think the term is. I might be wrong. Cognitive dissonance might be her mind saying no but her body saying yes, like anti-slvt defense.

Alright, let's just call it image incongruency. There, I created a new term. She is an 8 who imagines herself to be a 6 because no guy in her social circles can tolerate her neediness and attention wh0ring behavior.

And she goes out to the smv market and every guy treats her like an 8. This creates a feeling of image incongruency and she has no choice but to see these guys as losers.

Hot women suffering from image incongruency are the most frustrating kind because you will see them leave the clubs with the ugliest guy that matches their inner congruency. And you will end up doubting yourself saying "What the hell just happened?"

Your best bet is to hit on an 8 who feels like an 8. These women often socialize in higher class venues in the VIP section with bottle service. They don't show up to sausage fests trying to soak up validation.
I mean honestly if you just have a back bone and some self-respect, doesn’t really matter whether she’s needy or not because you’ll walk away before she starts to look down on you and this she’ll assume you’re higher value than all of these other chumps. Those 8s who feel like 8s will be attracted to you for the same reason but in conjunction with your social acuity, tho that’s more for 9s and 10s from what I’ve seen.
 

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I mean honestly if you just have a back bone and some self-respect, doesn’t really matter whether she’s needy or not because you’ll walk away before she starts to look down on you and this she’ll assume you’re higher value than all of these other chumps. Those 8s who feel like 8s will be attracted to you for the same reason but in conjunction with your social acuity, tho that’s more for 9s and 10s from what I’ve seen.
Imho if she's needy and goofy behind YOU thats great. It means she's into you and can't control herself.
 

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Yep, even the "hottest" ladies in these pics have one or two guys up on a pedastal somewhere. They stalk them, knowing everything about them.
Yeah, I've been stalked by multiple women IRL and online. I try to leave as little traceable info as possible.
 
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It’s not just money. Sometimes they set their sights higher, and sometimes they will actually spend money on you to lure you there. Green card, marriage...whatever. White guys are often seen as a ticket out.

I had a plate straight from Hong Kong who didnt need any of that sh*t. She preferred white guys, yes, but wanted the chad just as much as any western girl would. Many women she knew, including family, were desperately seeking a way out.

White incel = easy prey.

This is true. I know a guy who went from white girls to exclusively Asians because he thinks he discovered some holy grail. And now he’s giving away green cards for free. They don’t even pay him. He goes to Asia in hopes of a relationship, the honeymoon period is fantastic, and as soon as he marries them, they divorce. It’s been this way for almost 10 years.

And he has another trip this September in desperate need for a relationship.


In a lot of ways it seems like women are smarter than a lot of men. They will prey on your desperate need to be loved like how your mother loved you.

Just look at all the rags to riches divorces and free green cards, lol. Seems like women are the actual logical businessmen.

And men are stuck in their fantasies and one-itis

People want to convince me that women are dumb reactive machines but then I see random insta h0es becoming millionaires piggy backing off of great men.
 
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I mean honestly if you just have a back bone and some self-respect, doesn’t really matter whether she’s needy or not because you’ll walk away before she starts to look down on you and this she’ll assume you’re higher value than all of these other chumps. Those 8s who feel like 8s will be attracted to you for the same reason but in conjunction with your social acuity, tho that’s more for 9s and 10s from what I’ve seen.
A good post. And true
 

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Guys attitude in this forum is starting to go in the toilet.
"Every girl is not evil lol. Newsflash
Every girl is not out to get you or your green card fellas. Or your money and stuff.
Start livin life guys. Just go for it
 

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What this does is it creates cognitive dissonance. You value her more than she values herself. And thus, she has no choice but to see you as low value - and even lower valued than the guys she likes in her social circles, even if you were more handsome.

It's a psychological trick that has many high value guys in the clubs getting rejected by 6's and 7's. It doesn't add up.
What you're saying makes sense. It sounds odd though when you compare that to a very common complain on these forums:
That women are over-valuing themselves. That even less attractive girls are expecting to land top guys. Seems strange that they have such high opinions of themselves but then think they are too low value to be pursued.
 
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What you're saying makes sense. It sounds odd though when you compare that to a very common complain on these forums:
That women are over-valuing themselves. That even less attractive girls are expecting to land top guys. Seems strange that they have such high opinions of themselves but then think they are too low value to be pursued.
Women are herd creatures so you almost don't exist unless you exist in their immediate social environments. They don't know how to rank you until their friends rank you. Or until they see obvious signs of status. Ie: You walk into the venue with women that vouch for you.
This is easily observable when you hang out with female friends and they just ignore every guy in the venue.

Women actually outsource their vetting. They rely on social cues. This is why leadership skills and having the ability to have people reacting to you as if you were a dominant man is so effective.

Herd mentality is also why a guy can experience average women acting entitled. It's not entitlement. You just don't factor into their tribe radar.

Of course, sometimes a guy is obviously good looking and women will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nightclubs and OLD are man-made environments. Women have a harder time judging guys, and guys definitely have a harder time judging women, as I've already mentioned. They have no status (or not enough) in the first place. And they throw themselves at needy women. That's a recipe for 100 rejections.

There have been times where I would float around the outskirts of a social circle/environment and women would be standoffish. Then a popular guy from that environment would acknowledge me and suddenly every woman would open up.

There have been times where it took months for attractive women to open up to me. And out of absolutely nowhere, they'll invite me over as plausible deniability to hook up without any prior conversations or interactions. It's as if my status reaches a critical mass/consensus or something.

Now imagine if I had met them at a club and had 5 minutes to "game" them, lol. I wouldn't even factor into their radars. And it's not even personal. It's not a reflection of my value. It's more like I don't live in the same reality/exist to them.

So guys - it's not entitlement. It's just that you don't have any social life/status/proof.

If you had the status and social proof, a woman would actually reveal her insecurities and neediness to you. Her real self would be transparent.

The word "credibility" is very underrated when it comes to game. Women need from men things like trust and credibility. These are things we don't understand because our only requirements are sex appeal and a pleasant personality.
 
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Women are herd creatures so you almost don't exist unless you exist in their immediate social environments. They don't know how to rank you until their friends rank you. Or until they see obvious signs of status. Ie: You walk into the venue with women that vouch for you.
This is easily observable when you hang out with female friends and they just ignore every guy in the venue.

Women actually outsource their vetting. They rely on social cues. This is why leadership skills and having the ability to have people reacting to you as if you were a dominant man is so effective.

Herd mentality is also why a guy can experience average women acting entitled. It's not entitlement. You just don't factor into their tribe radar.

Of course, sometimes a guy is obviously good looking and women will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nightclubs and OLD are man-made environments. Women have a harder time judging guys, and guys definitely have a harder time judging women, as I've already mentioned. They have no status in the first place. And they throw themselves at needy women. That's a recipe for 100 rejections.

There have been times where I would float around the outskirts of a social circle/environment and women would be standoffish. Then a popular guy from that environment would acknowledge me and suddenly every woman would open up.

There have been times where it took months for attractive women to open up to me. And out of absolutely nowhere, they'll invite me over as plausible deniability to hook up without any prior conversations or interactions. It's as if my status reaches a critical mass/consensus or something.

Now imagine if I had met them at a club and had 5 minutes to "game" them, lol. I wouldn't even factor into their radars. And it's not even personal. It's not a reflection of my value. It's more like I don't live in the same reality/exist to them.

So guys - it's not entitlement. It's just that you don't have any social life/status/proof.

If you had the status and social proof, a woman would actually reveal her insecurities and neediness to you. Her real self would be transparent.

The word "credibility" is very underrated when it comes to game. Women need from men things like trust and credibility. These are things we don't understand because our only requirements are sex appeal and a pleasant personality.
Credibility for what though? Credibility for being responsible and getting shyt done isn't the cred they are looking for in hookups and dating.
 

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Credibility for what though? Credibility for being responsible and getting shyt done isn't the cred they are looking for in hookups and dating.
You're not supposed to ask me any hard questions. You're supposed to just take what I say as gospel. Lol j/k.

Alright in order of importance, here is the attraction hierarchy:

1) Dominance - Looks, money, status, height, big penis, alpha mentality, fame and popularity, etc.
2)Sexual tension - If she doesn't feel the sexual tension, then it's a deal breaker. Has something to do with your testosterone and her estrogen compatibility. Some women you stand next to them, and there is incredible sexual tension between the two of you. Some women, there is none. You could even call it "physical chemistry."
3) Intrigue - I forgot to add this one. Mystery and challenge is important. Even in relationships. Never solve yourself to women.
4)Credibility - Social proof, being part of the same tribe, someone vouching for you, etc. It's like going to a bank with a good credit score and having co-signers/recommendations. Guys can be murderous psychopaths, weirdos, stalkers, etc. As men, we don't think about these things. But women do.
5)Connection - Notice I placed connection last. But it is important.

Nothing else exists outside those 5 elements. "Game" is like an attempt to create those elements. Of course, some guys have it naturally.

A woman only looking for sex probably doesn't care about credibility or connection. But women who are looking for a relationship will value credibility and connection more.

A good looking guy can get one night stands. But he might not even register in a woman's radar if she is the social circle type who's only into LTR's with guys in her social circles.

Not every woman has the ability to turn off their anti-slvt defenses and forgo credibility and connection.

However in 2020 a lot of women seem to care less about credibility and connection.
 
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You're not supposed to ask me any hard questions. You're supposed to just take what I say as gospel. Lol j/k.

Alright in order of importance, here is the attraction hierarchy:

1) Dominance - Looks, money, status, height, big penis, alpha mentality, fame and popularity, etc.
2)Sexual tension - If she doesn't feel the sexual tension, then it's a deal breaker. Has something to do with your testosterone and her estrogen compatibility. Some women you stand next to them, and there is incredible sexual tension between the two of you. Some women, there is none. You could even call it physical "chemistry."
3) Intrigue - I forgot to add this one. Mystery and challenge is important. Even in relationships. Never solve yourself to women.
4)Credibility - Social proof, being part of the same tribe, someone vouching for, etc. It's like going to a bank with a good credit score and having co-signers/recommendations. Guys can be murderous psychopaths, weirdos, stalkers, etc. As men, we don't think about these things. But women do.
5)Connection - Notice I place connection last. But it is important.

Nothing else exists outside those 4 elements. "Game" is like an attempt to create those elements. Of course, some guys have it naturally.

A woman only looking for sex probably doesn't care about credibility or connection. But women who are looking for a relationship will value credibility and connection more.

A good looking guy can get one night stands. But he might not even register in a woman's radar if she is the social circle type who's only into LTR's with guys in her social circles.

Not every woman has the ability to turn off their anti-slvt defenses and forgo credibility and connection.

However in 2020 a lot of women seem to care less about credibility and connection.
This is good.
 

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This is good.
Intrigue #1
Sexual tension #2
Dominance#3
Credability#4
Connection#5

Storm rider how does dominance come after her verifying your dominance?? Here in lies the problem with everyone spitting out "their knowledge"
And the pics you posted of your women is proof of this post. Just saying.
Feel free to choose any girl you want but for me personally this confusion just solidifies what I've read.
AZZ backwards
 
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This is good.
Mr good if you follow this order you will not only be behind the 8 ball but will not understand attraction and will end up with the same girls this dude posted that Spaz called him out on. He can freely choose his women but let me clarify. Spaz called this guy out BECAUSE his posts and rhetoric did not match up with his results. Now that means
By implication that Spaz can land better looking women to my personal liking which leaves this guys advice nothing more then GETTO BULLSHYT.
 

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Mr good if you follow this order you will not only be behind the 8 ball but will not understand attraction and will end up with the same girls this dude posted that Spaz called him out on. He can freely choose his women but let me clarify. Spaz called this guy out BECAUSE his posts and rhetoric did not match up with his results. Now that means
By implication that Spaz can land better looking women to my personal liking which leaves this guys advice nothing more then GETTO BULLSHYT.
Spaz is in south east Asia. Bar girls. Paid for. Alot of GHETTO BULLSHYT works well whether we like it or not.
 

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Spaz is in south east Asia. Bar girls. Paid for. Alot of GHETTO BULLSHYT works well whether we like it or not.
Don’t listen to him. He’s pretty dumb. Dominance will affect the vibe you give off. So if you are a dominant person who is solid within yourself, you WILL give off an attractive vibe. And by simply being attractive, you automatically have credibility because snakes and psychopaths are not attractive. Obviously having that credibility helps confirm what she already feels, but it’s not the quintessential deciding factor determining whether she wants to **** you or not. She wants to **** you, she just doesn’t know if she should **** you. Having credibility gives her the green light to where she should.

But as stormrider often alludes to, placing yourselves in a situation that gives her plausible deniability will mean she has nothing to lose by ****ing you. And as such, she will (if she wants to). But again, this feeling of her wanting to have sex with you without knowing much of anything about you only comes from you having dominance/that aura around you. Personally I’d say credibility is more important than intrigue just because if you simply are (and have self-respect), she’ll never really have you figured out, plus no one actually knows anything about you when you first meet them. But again, that’s just my opinion.
 

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Spaz is in south east Asia. Bar girls. Paid for. Alot of GHETTO BULLSHYT works well whether we like it or not.
No brother. You go ahead with it. Even Rollo doesnt follow that. Read his work.
Women want to be dominated yes but SEX COMES FIRST!! Lol kidding me bro??
How can you have it both ways??
 

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Don’t listen to him. He’s pretty dumb. Dominance will affect the vibe you give off. So if you are a dominant person who is solid within yourself, you WILL give off an attractive vibe. And by simply being attractive, you automatically have credibility because snakes and psychopaths are not attractive. Obviously having that credibility helps confirm what she already feels, but it’s not the quintessential deciding factor determining whether she wants to **** you or not. She wants to **** you, she just doesn’t know if she should **** you. Having credibility gives her the green light to where she should.

But as stormrider often alludes to, placing yourselves in a situation that gives her plausible deniability will mean she has nothing to lose by ****ing you. And as such, she will (if she wants to). But again, this feeling of her wanting to have sex with you without knowing much of anything about you only comes from you having dominance/that aura around you. Personally I’d say credibility is more important than intrigue just because if you simply are (and have self-respect), she’ll never really have you figured out, plus no one actually knows anything about you when you first meet them. But again, that’s just my opinion.
The reason why I place intrigue higher is because it is one of the three attraction igniters (along with dominance and sexual tension). A lot of nice guys have credibility. But they act predictable, tell their whole life story to women as if they were seeking a personal therapist, are easily categorized and manipulated, aren't really much of a mystery or challenge. These are the male orbiters stuck in the friend zone. They have no attraction igniters working for them.

90% of advice from sosuave is pretty much telling them to be more intriguing/mysterious/challenging.

Once you have some attraction igniters working for you, then she will vet for credibility.

But credibility is very important as well. I've developed entire game strategies around credibility (Infiltrating social scenes, increasing your social sphere, showing up to social environments where women see me more than once, vibing with people on my wavelength, etc).

In fact, I would say that I take dominance, sexual tension, and intrigue for granted (I think it is something that should be natural, though you can certainly improve it) and I focus solely on credibility as it has been my number 1 sticking point outside of a college environment when trying to create a social life/ecosystem that constantly produces women that see me more than once.
 
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