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What this does is it creates cognitive dissonance. You value her more than she values herself. And thus, she has no choice but to see you as low value - and even lower valued than the guys she likes in her social circles, even if you were more handsome.

It's a psychological trick that has many high value guys in the clubs getting rejected by 6's and 7's. It doesn't add up.
What you're saying makes sense. It sounds odd though when you compare that to a very common complain on these forums:
That women are over-valuing themselves. That even less attractive girls are expecting to land top guys. Seems strange that they have such high opinions of themselves but then think they are too low value to be pursued.
 

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What you're saying makes sense. It sounds odd though when you compare that to a very common complain on these forums:
That women are over-valuing themselves. That even less attractive girls are expecting to land top guys. Seems strange that they have such high opinions of themselves but then think they are too low value to be pursued.
Women are herd creatures so you almost don't exist unless you exist in their immediate social environments. They don't know how to rank you until their friends rank you. Or until they see obvious signs of status. Ie: You walk into the venue with women that vouch for you.
This is easily observable when you hang out with female friends and they just ignore every guy in the venue.

Women actually outsource their vetting. They rely on social cues. This is why leadership skills and having the ability to have people reacting to you as if you were a dominant man is so effective.

Herd mentality is also why a guy can experience average women acting entitled. It's not entitlement. You just don't factor into their tribe radar.

Of course, sometimes a guy is obviously good looking and women will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nightclubs and OLD are man-made environments. Women have a harder time judging guys, and guys definitely have a harder time judging women, as I've already mentioned. They have no status (or not enough) in the first place. And they throw themselves at needy women. That's a recipe for 100 rejections.

There have been times where I would float around the outskirts of a social circle/environment and women would be standoffish. Then a popular guy from that environment would acknowledge me and suddenly every woman would open up.

There have been times where it took months for attractive women to open up to me. And out of absolutely nowhere, they'll invite me over as plausible deniability to hook up without any prior conversations or interactions. It's as if my status reaches a critical mass/consensus or something.

Now imagine if I had met them at a club and had 5 minutes to "game" them, lol. I wouldn't even factor into their radars. And it's not even personal. It's not a reflection of my value. It's more like I don't live in the same reality/exist to them.

So guys - it's not entitlement. It's just that you don't have any social life/status/proof.

If you had the status and social proof, a woman would actually reveal her insecurities and neediness to you. Her real self would be transparent.

The word "credibility" is very underrated when it comes to game. Women need from men things like trust and credibility. These are things we don't understand because our only requirements are sex appeal and a pleasant personality.
 
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Women are herd creatures so you almost don't exist unless you exist in their immediate social environments. They don't know how to rank you until their friends rank you. Or until they see obvious signs of status. Ie: You walk into the venue with women that vouch for you.
This is easily observable when you hang out with female friends and they just ignore every guy in the venue.

Women actually outsource their vetting. They rely on social cues. This is why leadership skills and having the ability to have people reacting to you as if you were a dominant man is so effective.

Herd mentality is also why a guy can experience average women acting entitled. It's not entitlement. You just don't factor into their tribe radar.

Of course, sometimes a guy is obviously good looking and women will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Nightclubs and OLD are man-made environments. Women have a harder time judging guys, and guys definitely have a harder time judging women, as I've already mentioned. They have no status in the first place. And they throw themselves at needy women. That's a recipe for 100 rejections.

There have been times where I would float around the outskirts of a social circle/environment and women would be standoffish. Then a popular guy from that environment would acknowledge me and suddenly every woman would open up.

There have been times where it took months for attractive women to open up to me. And out of absolutely nowhere, they'll invite me over as plausible deniability to hook up without any prior conversations or interactions. It's as if my status reaches a critical mass/consensus or something.

Now imagine if I had met them at a club and had 5 minutes to "game" them, lol. I wouldn't even factor into their radars. And it's not even personal. It's not a reflection of my value. It's more like I don't live in the same reality/exist to them.

So guys - it's not entitlement. It's just that you don't have any social life/status/proof.

If you had the status and social proof, a woman would actually reveal her insecurities and neediness to you. Her real self would be transparent.

The word "credibility" is very underrated when it comes to game. Women need from men things like trust and credibility. These are things we don't understand because our only requirements are sex appeal and a pleasant personality.
Credibility for what though? Credibility for being responsible and getting shyt done isn't the cred they are looking for in hookups and dating.
 

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Credibility for what though? Credibility for being responsible and getting shyt done isn't the cred they are looking for in hookups and dating.
You're not supposed to ask me any hard questions. You're supposed to just take what I say as gospel. Lol j/k.

Alright in order of importance, here is the attraction hierarchy:

1) Dominance - Looks, money, status, height, big penis, alpha mentality, fame and popularity, etc.
2)Sexual tension - If she doesn't feel the sexual tension, then it's a deal breaker. Has something to do with your testosterone and her estrogen compatibility. Some women you stand next to them, and there is incredible sexual tension between the two of you. Some women, there is none. You could even call it "physical chemistry."
3) Intrigue - I forgot to add this one. Mystery and challenge is important. Even in relationships. Never solve yourself to women.
4)Credibility - Social proof, being part of the same tribe, someone vouching for you, etc. It's like going to a bank with a good credit score and having co-signers/recommendations. Guys can be murderous psychopaths, weirdos, stalkers, etc. As men, we don't think about these things. But women do.
5)Connection - Notice I placed connection last. But it is important.

Nothing else exists outside those 5 elements. "Game" is like an attempt to create those elements. Of course, some guys have it naturally.

A woman only looking for sex probably doesn't care about credibility or connection. But women who are looking for a relationship will value credibility and connection more.

A good looking guy can get one night stands. But he might not even register in a woman's radar if she is the social circle type who's only into LTR's with guys in her social circles.

Not every woman has the ability to turn off their anti-slvt defenses and forgo credibility and connection.

However in 2020 a lot of women seem to care less about credibility and connection.
 
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You're not supposed to ask me any hard questions. You're supposed to just take what I say as gospel. Lol j/k.

Alright in order of importance, here is the attraction hierarchy:

1) Dominance - Looks, money, status, height, big penis, alpha mentality, fame and popularity, etc.
2)Sexual tension - If she doesn't feel the sexual tension, then it's a deal breaker. Has something to do with your testosterone and her estrogen compatibility. Some women you stand next to them, and there is incredible sexual tension between the two of you. Some women, there is none. You could even call it physical "chemistry."
3) Intrigue - I forgot to add this one. Mystery and challenge is important. Even in relationships. Never solve yourself to women.
4)Credibility - Social proof, being part of the same tribe, someone vouching for, etc. It's like going to a bank with a good credit score and having co-signers/recommendations. Guys can be murderous psychopaths, weirdos, stalkers, etc. As men, we don't think about these things. But women do.
5)Connection - Notice I place connection last. But it is important.

Nothing else exists outside those 4 elements. "Game" is like an attempt to create those elements. Of course, some guys have it naturally.

A woman only looking for sex probably doesn't care about credibility or connection. But women who are looking for a relationship will value credibility and connection more.

A good looking guy can get one night stands. But he might not even register in a woman's radar if she is the social circle type who's only into LTR's with guys in her social circles.

Not every woman has the ability to turn off their anti-slvt defenses and forgo credibility and connection.

However in 2020 a lot of women seem to care less about credibility and connection.
This is good.
 

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This is good.
Intrigue #1
Sexual tension #2
Dominance#3
Credability#4
Connection#5

Storm rider how does dominance come after her verifying your dominance?? Here in lies the problem with everyone spitting out "their knowledge"
And the pics you posted of your women is proof of this post. Just saying.
Feel free to choose any girl you want but for me personally this confusion just solidifies what I've read.
AZZ backwards
 

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This is good.
Mr good if you follow this order you will not only be behind the 8 ball but will not understand attraction and will end up with the same girls this dude posted that Spaz called him out on. He can freely choose his women but let me clarify. Spaz called this guy out BECAUSE his posts and rhetoric did not match up with his results. Now that means
By implication that Spaz can land better looking women to my personal liking which leaves this guys advice nothing more then GETTO BULLSHYT.
 

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Mr good if you follow this order you will not only be behind the 8 ball but will not understand attraction and will end up with the same girls this dude posted that Spaz called him out on. He can freely choose his women but let me clarify. Spaz called this guy out BECAUSE his posts and rhetoric did not match up with his results. Now that means
By implication that Spaz can land better looking women to my personal liking which leaves this guys advice nothing more then GETTO BULLSHYT.
Spaz is in south east Asia. Bar girls. Paid for. Alot of GHETTO BULLSHYT works well whether we like it or not.
 

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Spaz is in south east Asia. Bar girls. Paid for. Alot of GHETTO BULLSHYT works well whether we like it or not.
Don’t listen to him. He’s pretty dumb. Dominance will affect the vibe you give off. So if you are a dominant person who is solid within yourself, you WILL give off an attractive vibe. And by simply being attractive, you automatically have credibility because snakes and psychopaths are not attractive. Obviously having that credibility helps confirm what she already feels, but it’s not the quintessential deciding factor determining whether she wants to **** you or not. She wants to **** you, she just doesn’t know if she should **** you. Having credibility gives her the green light to where she should.

But as stormrider often alludes to, placing yourselves in a situation that gives her plausible deniability will mean she has nothing to lose by ****ing you. And as such, she will (if she wants to). But again, this feeling of her wanting to have sex with you without knowing much of anything about you only comes from you having dominance/that aura around you. Personally I’d say credibility is more important than intrigue just because if you simply are (and have self-respect), she’ll never really have you figured out, plus no one actually knows anything about you when you first meet them. But again, that’s just my opinion.
 

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Spaz is in south east Asia. Bar girls. Paid for. Alot of GHETTO BULLSHYT works well whether we like it or not.
No brother. You go ahead with it. Even Rollo doesnt follow that. Read his work.
Women want to be dominated yes but SEX COMES FIRST!! Lol kidding me bro??
How can you have it both ways??
 

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Don’t listen to him. He’s pretty dumb. Dominance will affect the vibe you give off. So if you are a dominant person who is solid within yourself, you WILL give off an attractive vibe. And by simply being attractive, you automatically have credibility because snakes and psychopaths are not attractive. Obviously having that credibility helps confirm what she already feels, but it’s not the quintessential deciding factor determining whether she wants to **** you or not. She wants to **** you, she just doesn’t know if she should **** you. Having credibility gives her the green light to where she should.

But as stormrider often alludes to, placing yourselves in a situation that gives her plausible deniability will mean she has nothing to lose by ****ing you. And as such, she will (if she wants to). But again, this feeling of her wanting to have sex with you without knowing much of anything about you only comes from you having dominance/that aura around you. Personally I’d say credibility is more important than intrigue just because if you simply are (and have self-respect), she’ll never really have you figured out, plus no one actually knows anything about you when you first meet them. But again, that’s just my opinion.
The reason why I place intrigue higher is because it is one of the three attraction igniters (along with dominance and sexual tension). A lot of nice guys have credibility. But they act predictable, tell their whole life story to women as if they were seeking a personal therapist, are easily categorized and manipulated, aren't really much of a mystery or challenge. These are the male orbiters stuck in the friend zone. They have no attraction igniters working for them.

90% of advice from sosuave is pretty much telling them to be more intriguing/mysterious/challenging.

Once you have some attraction igniters working for you, then she will vet for credibility.

But credibility is very important as well. I've developed entire game strategies around credibility (Infiltrating social scenes, increasing your social sphere, showing up to social environments where women see me more than once, vibing with people on my wavelength, etc).

In fact, I would say that I take dominance, sexual tension, and intrigue for granted (I think it is something that should be natural, though you can certainly improve it) and I focus solely on credibility as it has been my number 1 sticking point outside of a college environment when trying to create a social life/ecosystem that constantly produces women that see me more than once.
 
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Dominance will affect the vibe you give off
Yes it does and do it wrong the sexual tension and INTRIGUE WANES. Azz hat seriously? And you know this how?? How can she verify your dominance without SOCIAL BACKUUUUUUP?? please tell us how??
 

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Don’t listen to him. He’s pretty dumb. Dominance will affect the vibe you give off. So if you are a dominant person who is solid within yourself, you WILL give off an attractive vibe. And by simply being attractive, you automatically have credibility because snakes and psychopaths are not attractive. Obviously having that credibility helps confirm what she already feels, but it’s not the quintessential deciding factor determining whether she wants to **** you or not. She wants to **** you, she just doesn’t know if she should **** you. Having credibility gives her the green light to where she should.

But as stormrider often alludes to, placing yourselves in a situation that gives her plausible deniability will mean she has nothing to lose by ****ing you. And as such, she will (if she wants to). But again, this feeling of her wanting to have sex with you without knowing much of anything about you only comes from you having dominance/that aura around you. Personally I’d say credibility is more important than intrigue just because if you simply are (and have self-respect), she’ll never really have you figured out, plus no one actually knows anything about you when you first meet them. But again, that’s just my opinion.
Your a JOKE!! Read my posts with an objective mind. Anyone knows game knows RIGHT now his order is way fvkn off.
How the hell csn a girl check your dominance without FIRST.
Seeing your friends?
Co workers?
Family?
Your daily fckn life?
The way you speak to ppl?
Give me a fckn break ppl. If you cant see the error on that post?
SEX is always first and without being an escort how is that achieved??? ??????? Hmmmm?? Guess what?
INTRIGUE...
 

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No brother. You go ahead with it. Even Rollo doesnt follow that. Read his work.
Women want to be dominated yes but SEX COMES FIRST!! Lol kidding me bro??
How can you have it both ways??
To be totally honest im only worried about the females that chose me. That means we fvck. I won't play dating games either. I am your 1st choice or I'm gone.
 

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The reason why I place intrigue higher is because it is one of the three attraction igniters (along with dominance and sexual tension). A lot of nice guys have credibility. But they act predictable, tell their whole life story to women as if they were seeking a personal therapist, are easily categorized and manipulated, aren't really much of a mystery or challenge. These are the male orbiters stuck in the friend zone. They have no attraction igniters working for them.

90% of advice from sosuave is pretty much telling them to be more intriguing/mysterious/challenging.

Once you have some attraction igniters working for you, then she will vet for credibility.

But credibility is very important as well. I've developed entire game strategies around credibility (Infiltrating social scenes, increasing your social sphere, showing up to social environments where women see me more than once, vibing with people on your wavelength, etc).

In fact, I would say that I take dominance, sexual tension, and intrigue for granted (I think it is something that should be natural, though you can certainly improve it) and I focus solely on credibility as it has been my number 1 sticking point outside of a college environment and trying to create a social life/ecosystem that constantly produces women that see me more than once.
I get your point. But isn’t a nice guy also lacking in dominance and sexual tension too? It’s hard for me to imagine a nice guy who is dominant and invokes sexual tension tbh
Yes it does and do it wrong the sexual tension and INTRIGUE WANES. Azz hat seriously? And you know this how?? How can she verify your dominance without SOCIAL BACKUUUUUUP?? please tell us how??
Your a JOKE!! Read my posts with an objective mind. Anyone knows game knows RIGHT now his order is way fvkn off.
How the hell csn a girl check your dominance without FIRST.
Seeing your friends?
Co workers?
Family?
Your daily fckn life?
The way you speak to ppl?
Give me a fckn break ppl. If you cant see the error on that post?
SEX is always first and without being an escort how is that achieved??? ??????? Hmmmm?? Guess what?
INTRIGUE...
U mad bro?
 

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To be totally honest im only worried about the females that chose me. That means we fvck. I won't play dating games either. I am your 1st choice or I'm gone.
Thats interest. Which = intrigue. Intrigue= attraction= intrigue= sexual tension.
 

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I get your point. But isn’t a nice guy also lacking in dominance and sexual tension too? It’s hard for me to imagine a nice guy who is dominant and invokes sexual tension tbh


U mad bro?
No dude just CORRECT LOL big difference. But just sayin.
Carry on my man
 

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I get your point. But isn’t a nice guy also lacking in dominance and sexual tension too? It’s hard for me to imagine a nice guy who is dominant and invokes sexual tension tbh


U mad bro?

I mean, it's not a science. It's more like a guideline. Because I have a guideline in my head that pretty much explains the entire game, I can easily diagnose a guy or even myself.

And of course, I've seen anomalies too.

In my experience, dominance and sexual tension becomes less important in closed environments. A guy who is a 6 is fvckable. Logistics and luck, aka being at the right place at the right time can get you triple digit lays.

And intrigue becomes more important when you are stuck in a phone booth with women (social circles, LTR's, etc). You want to create that space. You want to have purpose and be up to something. You want to have that trump card/ace in the hole. Then out of nowhere you surprise everyone with your greatness. Noone can ever categorize you or predict your next move.

In a large social environment, when women have choice, dominance and sexual tension comes into play more. Now that they have choice, they'll go for the guy they have sexual tension/chemistry with.

But remember, these are just generalizations. There aren't any absolutes. And someone could even experience a different reality than me.

This is just my reality/experiences based on what I look like.
 

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Ugh this guy...

No dude just CORRECT LOL big difference. But just sayin.
Carry on my man
Anyone and everyone who has extremely high social intelligence knows that women can just feel how you are. They don’t need to know you, they don’t need to talk to you, or know anything about you really. Just the way you carry yourself. Women are intuitive like that. It’s the vibe you give off. That’s why inner game is so much more important than outer. They can just read your demeanor and body language. Once you get to this level, this is where you can start breaking rules that guys like Rollo say you shouldn’t do.
 
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