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The three mistakes of the AFC

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What if an AFC sat down and pondered directly the question,

How does one attract women?

Well, most of them would reply, “the nicer the better”. You can’t blame them, every movie they’ve ever watched taught them that way.

To tell the truth, even asking the question is something removed from AFC-ness; for somewhere in his heart AFC doesn’t believe a women could feel that sort of feeling for him, and so he focuses on how to “trick” or convince a women into liking him with gifts and compliments, chat-up lines, whatever. Even more advanced seducers have this mindset. They use patterns, negs, lines, whatever new technology they can get their hands on.

That is the AFC’s first mistake: believing a woman cannot feel attracted to him. In words it seems stupid (it is), but this is what all AFCs secretly feel.

Part of this may be simple insecurity. The other part is a little easier to solve: a warped perspective. If an AFC asked how to attract a woman, he’d think of everything that attracts him to a woman: looks, looks, looks, looks, looks, looks, class, femininity, looks. Therefore, he decides that not being Brad Pitt, the girls he wants are “out of his league”. This is an AFC’s second mistake: not knowing how women work.

In fact, men, like women, can be attracted to things other than looks -- however, his sex life consisting of monthly centrefolds and porn sites, AFC wouldn’t know. Not knowing how attraction works then.

If he really thought about it, he would realise that supplication isn’t attractive to him or anyone else. He’d realise that everyone wants someone FUN, POSITIVE, who’s a CHALLENGE, a MYSTERY, EXCITING.

And if he could get into a women’s skin, he’d realise that women want MASCULINE men, want to feel PROTECTED, want to feel loved. That every women’s goal is to find a guy who they can love and who’ll love them back unconditionally. And he’d realise that his masculinity is something a woman finds attractive, even though he obviously doesn’t.

Men aren’t attracted to masculinity. Masculinity repels masculinity – it’s a bit like magnets, but with the difference that femininity doesn’t repel femininity; it’s neutral. Hence women hug each other all the time and hold hands, when men don’t. (David DeAngelo did a test where his audience all stared into each other’s eyes: the men felt “weird” and uncomfortable staring into men’s eyes, but felt powerful staring into women’s eyes. And we all know how eye contact attracts women, check the DJ Bible*). The AFC doesn’t realise that women react to masculinity in the opposite way that he does. He might have heard about the difference between men and women and he might have a better or worse idea about it, but although he might know, he doesn’t feel the difference between men and women. So he thinks his masculinity will repel or “oppress” (thanks Feminism) women, and does his best to act asexual whenever he’s with a woman.

In fact, he doesn’t look for other things that might be attractive to make up for what he doesn’t have. Why? He might not see them. However, more importantly, by this time he’s given up. He’s not trying to get a girl, he’s trying to find an excuse to make it okay for him not to have a girl. This is an AFC’s last fatal mistake: getting set in his ways.

*I'm thinking on doing a more extensive survey on this. (Get men, women and mixed pairs to stare at each other's eyes, and with information on their sexuality, note the reactions they experience).

(Note to self: stop getting off track)
 

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The mind of an AFC

I dont really know that the AFC has that much thoughts about what hes doing and his intentions. He doesnt ever look at the flip side of what hes doing.

originally posted by Gubby
so he focuses on how to “trick” or convince a women into liking him with gifts and compliments, chat-up lines, whatever.
He doesnt think of what hes doing as trying to trick her. Its more of the "kill'em with kindness mentality" that if he makes it so theres no confrentation between them, and shows a lot of interest, (two aspects of being nice) shell come to some realization, and she'll eventually break down and say 'what the hell' and give him a chance. He also thinks that if hes non confrontational, and gives her anything, shell will want to reciprocate. some extreme afcs dream about being stranded on a desert island, and all you have is that girl, no problems, just love and respect.

Theres two types of afcs
(1) The type with a normal upbringing, a life, and all that, but he erroneously falls for the "i really want a nice, gentle, sweet, sensitive guy" script. So he tries harder to be nicer, and maybe gets some play from girls, maybe because of looks or status, but hes not in control.

(2) The genuinely nice, soft, sensitive, sweet guy who most likely grew up with women in charge of him, therefore too much nurturing in life, no direction. Women will have trouble breaking the game of life down for the sons, because women's consequences tend to be long term, and by the time they realize, it hits them so hard that they get turn into a ****. This kid has had a sheltered life, and only knows how to be nice. He assumes that the world is like its supposed to be: if i treat others nicely, others are nice back to me. This guy never learned how to have a backbone.
 

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Hey, those are some interesting thoughts. It is true that we don't always realize how masculinity is perceived, especially not today - no school, no TV show, no media would tell us. You really have to train yourself, and the best way is by finding environments that are still somewhat masculine. It would be of great help to many in this forum.
 

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Gubby said:
What if an AFC sat down and pondered directly the question,

How does one attract women?

[my comments: By making an investment. By initiating the relationship process by giving her a taste of your meaningful personality then backing off and letting her make the next move if she wants more of you. Your investment includes indirectly letting her know in a playful way that you have some interest in her and giving her a way to easily approach you in the future. All along you are aware that there is a fine line between playfulness and seriousness. The don juan knows this fact and uses it to his advantage to keep things "in balance."]
 

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JHeights83rd said:
He doesnt think of what hes doing as trying to trick her.
Right, but that's the essence of it. He doesn't believe that a woman could feel attracted to him, so he tries to make her do something which he sees as unnatural to her.

This might not be true to all AFCs, but it was for me and is for some AFC friends I have.
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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