The player, the simp, and the thug

[RichardTheFrog]

This post is inspired by a response that @Tenacity made in another thread saying that the three types of guys that score in today's market are the player, the simp, and the thug.

Use this thread to comment or add to that theory if you'd like, but I'm also trying to find my place in this...

I think "player" is the only one that could ever potentially fit.

Simp - I don't think I'm a simp. I don't think girls would believe me even if I tried to act like one. They can see through that I'm not that nice, and I honestly don't really want to be. I've also noticed that a lot of what girls seem to be selecting are simps that stand up for themselves "just a little" (even if it's just for show) probably just so she feels she's not entirely walking over the guy.

Thug - I'm definitely not a thug. I don't have a gun or do drugs. But I will tell you that I have been to prison and I don't take thugs very seriously. That's not to say they aren't capable of doing things that are extremely violent, but I've seen them on the inside of prison and they are like little kids at recess. Playing basketball, breaking the rules, and calling their mom for money. Yes, even the Bloods and the Crips are like this. Which is important to note that I was at a bar a few months ago and there was a guy with a blue "flag" hanging out of his pocket obviously trying to let people know that he is claiming to be affiliated with a gang and that he's real hardcore, etc. Now, obviously, the majority of people in the world haven't been to prison so they can't see through this. But like I said, obviously they are capable of being violent, especially when provoked in front of others where they feel the need to keep their reputation up.

So that leaves "the player."

Well I'm definitely not a player. I'm currently a "john" (a guy who hires escorts). Given the bull**** nature of the market, I'm not sure that I really want to play, but there is nothing that's going to stop me from thinking about this every day, so I might as well. The other choice is to sit in my house and read about history every day? Or spend my life flipping houses and nothing else?

Now how do I find my niche in the player market? I honestly think that being "the rich guy" is my key to success. Flipping houses and making lots of money is a humongous display of value and intelligence. I don't even need to be a millionaire, I just have to be able to claim that I am one. I already have the house, now I just need to car (the Bentley that I should be buying in the next few months.)

Once rich, I think I should be really humble about it. I should work on being cool to hang out with. I should be able to join any social circle if I'm not even afraid of the gang members, right?

But I really need to get out there and start making some conversations. For some reason, even if I had a million dollars, I don't think a girl would want to be monogamous with me unless she was crazy. I don't think I'm stable enough. I could be wrong about that. I'm waiting to get over this bronchitis so I can go out again.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This post is inspired by a response that @Tenacity made in another thread saying that the three types of guys that score in today's market are the player, the simp, and the thug.

Use this thread to comment or add to that theory if you'd like, but I'm also trying to find my place in this...

I think "player" is the only one that could ever potentially fit.

Simp - I don't think I'm a simp. I don't think girls would believe me even if I tried to act like one. They can see through that I'm not that nice, and I honestly don't really want to be. I've also noticed that a lot of what girls seem to be selecting are simps that stand up for themselves "just a little" (even if it's just for show) probably just so she feels she's not entirely walking over the guy.

Thug - I'm definitely not a thug. I don't have a gun or do drugs. But I will tell you that I have been to prison and I don't take thugs very seriously. That's not to say they aren't capable of doing things that are extremely violent, but I've seen them on the inside of prison and they are like little kids at recess. Playing basketball, breaking the rules, and calling their mom for money. Yes, even the Bloods and the Crips are like this. Which is important to note that I was at a bar a few months ago and there was a guy with a blue "flag" hanging out of his pocket obviously trying to let people know that he is claiming to be affiliated with a gang and that he's real hardcore, etc. Now, obviously, the majority of people in the world haven't been to prison so they can't see through this. But like I said, obviously they are capable of being violent, especially when provoked in front of others where they feel the need to keep their reputation up.

So that leaves "the player."

Well I'm definitely not a player. I'm currently a "john" (a guy who hires escorts). Given the bull**** nature of the market, I'm not sure that I really want to play, but there is nothing that's going to stop me from thinking about this every day, so I might as well. The other choice is to sit in my house and read about history every day? Or spend my life flipping houses and nothing else?

Now how do I find my niche in the player market? I honestly think that being "the rich guy" is my key to success. Flipping houses and making lots of money is a humongous display of value and intelligence. I don't even need to be a millionaire, I just have to be able to claim that I am one. I already have the house, now I just need to car (the Bentley that I should be buying in the next few months.)

Once rich, I think I should be really humble about it. I should work on being cool to hang out with. I should be able to join any social circle if I'm not even afraid of the gang members, right?

But I really need to get out there and start making some conversations. For some reason, even if I had a million dollars, I don't think a girl would want to be monogamous with me unless she was crazy. I don't think I'm stable enough. I could be wrong about that. I'm waiting to get over this bronchitis so I can go out again.

Be in a circle where other folks are business minded and have as much to lose as you. Leave poor people alone. You will always have problems.

 

[Thorninmyside]

Here's the thing: I could give you $2M right now and 3 things would still be true:

• You wouldn't like yourself
• Girls wouldn't like you
• You would still hate and resent girls while simultaneously wanting one

That's not a put-down, but it seems like once again you see money as the quick-fix to your woman problem. Not only is it not quick, but it won't be a fix either. If you dislike the women who reject you now, you're REALLY gonna dislike the ones who would only be with you for gold-digging.

I'd really like to see what happens if you dropped the girl obsession for 2 months, focused 100% on happiness in every other area of you life, and see what kind of mindset you end up with.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Here's the thing: I could give you $2M right now and 3 things would still be true:

• You wouldn't like yourself
• Girls wouldn't like you
• You would still hate and resent girls while simultaneously wanting one

That's not a put-down, but it seems like once again you see money as the quick-fix to your woman problem. Not only is it not quick, but it won't be a fix either. If you dislike the women who reject you now, you're REALLY gonna dislike the ones who would only be with you for gold-digging.

I'd really like to see what happens if you dropped the girl obsession for 2 months, focused 100% on happiness in every other area of you life, and see what kind of mindset you end up with.

I'll bet more girls like me than like you. I'll bet I've turned down more girls than you could get in your whole life.

Running a successful business would increase my attractiveness to girls. You probably don't know this because you could never do such a thing.

 

[Thorninmyside]

Nice try. Your desperation betrays you so you have to lash out. Successful people don't bullsh*t themselves the way you do.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Nice try. Your desperation betrays you so you have to lash out. Successful people don't bullsh*t themselves the way you do.

Except that I'm right and you're wrong. I can think of 3 attractive women that have found me attractive in the past 5 days. I can think of HUNDREDS of them throughout my lifetime.

You are much less experienced in the world and much less knowledgeable than I am.

 

[Thorninmyside]

Keep telling yourself that you are doing better than some stranger on the internet who actually just wants you to see through your own BS to have some real victory that is earned, not bought. Keep playing the loser's game. You certainly have experience to beat me with in that area.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Keep telling yourself that you are doing better than some stranger on the internet who actually just wants you to see through your own BS to have some real victory that is earned, not bought. Keep playing the loser's game. You certainly have experience to beat me with in that area.

It is a fact that many attractive girls have found me attractive. It is a fact that I have turned down many girls.

What way is there to get a girl other than to have something tangible to offer?

Looks, money, status. Ever heard of it?

Back when I used to go down town regularly, the biggest player in the whole city was this rich lawyer who always had young girls with him. Everyone knew he was loaded and his reputation preceded him. He always paid the whole tab for his group and left large tips.

What do you have to say about that?

In fact, about a year ago, the owner of a modeling agency showed my picture to a bunch of the girls and asked what they thought of me. He told me that none of them called me ugly, and that I would be 2x more attractive if I joined a gym, and 1000x more attractive if I was a millionaire.

Also, you're a sh! t talking little pus $y who has never been through anything in his life.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

So you're telling me that if I was sitting at a bar full of hot bartenders that all knew I had $2 million, they wouldn't be attracted to me? Or are you just ****ing stupid?

Or if I had a reputation around town and everyone knew me as stinking rich, that wouldn't attract people to me? Or, once again, are you just stupid?

 

[Thorninmyside]

Yes, I'm saying that even with 2 million bucks you'd still be the same self-loathing misogynist cyber stalking lost cause with a fake penis and no idea about life, who likely has asperger's.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Yes, I'm saying that even with 2 million bucks you'd still be the same self-loathing mysoginist cyber stalking lost cause with a fake penis and no idea about life, who likely has asperger's.

I know more about life than you do.

Lost cause to who? You? According to you? Well who the **** are you?

 

[Tenacity]

Here's the thing: I could give you $2M right now and 3 things would still be true:

• You wouldn't like yourself
• Girls wouldn't like you
• You would still hate and resent girls while simultaneously wanting one

Sir, if you gave that man $2 million he could go BUY himself any piece of pvssy he wanted. Whether you guys know it or not, most of us pay for the pvssy indirectly anyway. By the time you get done spending money on gas to pick the chick up, drive her to the dinner date, take her to the movies, and drive her back home....you've spent about $100 give or take. $100 is the going rate for a good 30 minutes of A.SS

There's no way in hell money wouldn't increase this guy's attraction to women, as well as, his general confidence. Doesn't mean he will be as smooth yet, but smooth-ness comes through trial/error from approaching/speaking to HUNDREDS of women over time.

I'd really like to see what happens if you dropped the girl obsession for 2 months, focused 100% on happiness in every other area of you life, and see what kind of mindset you end up with.

Damn it, I HATE when you guys recommend this shyt to other guys on the Manosphere. Why do you guys keep doing this? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

- A guy comes here having issues with women or something similar in relation to women.

- In unison, the Manosphere tells the guy to "take a break from women" and "go workout".

WTF kind of advice is that?? The only way to get GOOD at something is to keep practicing. The moment he STOPS approaching new women, speaking with more women, and engaging women as a whole....is the moment his conversation skills, personality skills, etc., begin to start drying up.

How is it that you guys don't understand this shyt and you keep recommending this B.S. advice to guys on here?? It would be like if a guy said he wanted to "make 6 figures a year", and others told him to STOP focusing on money and "go workout". You know how STUPID that sounds lol??

 

[Thorninmyside]

Damn it, I HATE when you guys recommend this shyt to other guys on the Manosphere. Why do you guys keep doing this? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I've never had tell anyone to do it, but most in the manosphere aren't mentally ill, done time for crimes against a woman, or carried a level of obsession that sees them post over 600 times in 7 weeks. But sure, cup his balls and tell him to talk to more girls instead.

 

[Tenacity]

I've never had tell anyone to do it, but most in the manosphere aren't mentally ill, done time for crimes against a woman, or carried a level of obsession that sees them post over 600 times in 7 weeks. But sure, cup his balls and tell him to talk to more girls instead.

Ummm....what? Who has done time for crimes against women? Richard has?

Like @da dynamically said, he needs to focus on doing a shyt ton of approaches and through the act of those approaches, conversations, creative ways to spark attention, etc., etc., that's how he gets smooth.

He needs to fix himself up the BEST that he can with what he has right now and begin approaching. And over time, continue to invest/develop himself more and more and more.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

+1

For a newbie, he needs to go out and do 10000 approaches. You only take breaks from the game and work on personal "happiness" if you are someone like me. But I've been a player since 14. Newbies need to make up for a lot of lost time.

A good ebook I would recommend would be "How to meet and connect with women" by Wayne Elise. It's a great book for both newbies and veterans.

Get that Bentley, flip houses, and pick a seduction system (or the one I mentioned). If you mastered it in 4 years, you wouldn't have any problems in life. No need to get all deep and meta about it.

Except that I'm not a newbie. In a past life, I used to turn down 10 girls/week when I was an acid dealer.

It's kind of just recalibrating myself to a new life after those times are over.

I've had sex thousands of times. It's nothing new.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

All those times you heard me say "social circle," what I actually meant was social community. So don't think I am telling you to actually look for social circles to join (that usually happens organically). What I really mean is find a scene you can fit in (that has women). If you have status in a social community, you'd have to reject 10 girls a week like you said. A guy who is a 6+ in looks, has a solid career, and relatively cool can enter a social community (high school, college, military, small town) and rake.

I'm not saying it is impossible to get laid as a wondering nomad. It's more like the effort it takes in a social community when you have status is like a 2 compare to a 7 or 8 when it comes to picking up women in the streets.

Okay. I think down town could be my social community. The bar scene. My face is already pretty well known.

I really wish I could change my last name right now, but I have to wait until 2022.