"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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"The game" from Neil Strauss, worth to read it?

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You all probably know about that book, wondering which one is your opinion about it.

Not only about women but about social dynamics as well, worth to read it?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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It is worth the read but won't teach you ANY thing else this forum won't. I read it then started reading the book of Pook and I began to regret wasting money and time.
 

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It's ****. I mean it's a fun read but don't expect to learn anything from it.

Models, by Mark Manson. I've read my fair share of material but this is the best I've ever came across. 100% legit. Get the audiobook if you're interested, he reads it himself.
 

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If you are new to game its worth a read. You will also read about the lives of some pickup celebs but oh well!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I read it. I found it to be a waste of time. Models is better for sure.
 

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Thanks for the feedbacks guys, except models from mark manson is there any other one you feel to suggest?

Not necessarily in terms of pick-up but also in terms of social dynamics and social skills.
 

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like others are saying, no amt of info will help you if you don't ACT.

I found it much more useful to just read gems (free) like book of pook and weapon of mass seduction and some gold tips from tip section, and most important of all, just suck up and approach, fail and learn. That's the only way my man. The only way.
 

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Yorkex said:
It is worth the read but won't teach you ANY thing else this forum won't. I read it then started reading the book of Pook and I began to regret wasting money and time.
Yeah, anything written by Pook is solid gold I'd say. Also, anything written by Rollo Tomassi is very good too. You can search their threads on here.

Outside of this site, I've found just about anything written by Roosh V to be very useful.
 

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moneyisking said:
like others are saying, no amt of info will help you if you don't ACT.

I found it much more useful to just read gems (free) like book of pook and weapon of mass seduction and some gold tips from tip section, and most important of all, just suck up and approach, fail and learn. That's the only way my man. The only way.
Im not that much strictly interested in making it work with women, I dont swim in fresh pvssy every day but I believe Im doing well considering my record.

Im more interested in how interactions are framed not only in terms of sex and romance.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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It worth reading I actually read it many times, but it depend on your personality , if you see yourself in Niel personality you will like to read it .
 

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No clue why the hate

The book is Golden, and actually was the blueprint to part of my game.

The first half is positive and teaches you how beatiful and fun the game is. The 2nd half is depressing and shows you the dark/addicting side of this shyt

It's real, real as it gets, and honestly Strauss was ahead of his time than. The stuff that he figured the community now is starting to accept in full i.e. Self-Improvement, Social Circle game, Fame game etc etc

The biggest thing I learned from the book is that you make your own "Style" and be true to yourself. This is why I never followed one train of teaching like Pua's/macks or heck even Don Juans here

I read the book twice, the first time it was inspiring and motivating the 2nd time it was depressing and sad. why? because I realized the shyt Strauss went through I was going through at the time and you realize that a lot of this is really blazay blah
 

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I never got the hate for the earliest pickup gurus like Strauss and Deangelo.

Over the years techniques and ideas evolved, but its good to look into the origins of pickup. Also the things these guys preached weren't technical, but were more basic and easier to learn.

I recommend you read the Game, I like Strauss, I learnt some cool little games to play in bars to keep things interesting with a girl, which I still try and use today.
 

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You gotta give props to the people that were there at the forefront when pickup was starting up. They put together a foundation that people are expanding upon now. The Game is a great read and you can kill two birds with one stone by trying to read it in your second language so that you can really figure things out from another angle and augment your reality with something fresh, sometimes tacky and always inspiring.
 

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It's a good book for people who are interested in the history of pickup.. it actually reads like a bad romance novel for men.

I like how it shows that even the worlds greatest pickup artists are human.. we all get oneitis and we all deal with rejection one way or another..

Google "Neil Strauss picks up Jessica Alba" he gets put on the spot in front of millions to make a move on Jessica Alba...

Epic.. pure epic.. Neil really did the pua community proud that moment.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I would recommend New Dark Triad: An Intro

http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Dark-Tr...qid=1427473468&sr=8-1&keywords=new+dark+triad


It focuses on the themes of personal responsibility, critical thinking and irrational confidence. The ebook is free if you have a kindle.

I gave this book a read recently and it was a really good self help "man up" title. I think Chris and Ruben are a bit unknown at this point, but what they have produced so far is pretty solid.
 
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