The Decline of Poor White America

[taiyuu_otoko]

This place and trp turned me away from alcohol abuse and drug use, and towards success.

That will be the difference between being a dead white statistic and a success. Some shyte you just gotta figure out on your own.

Most folks don't have any idea how to do that, sadly and unfortunately.

 

[Urbanyst]

I would define the "food chain" as intellect level. Sometimes that causes segregation itself (another topic no one wants to discuss). The lower the intellect level, the more 'tribalism' is found.

Overall it's really not a race issue, over thousands of years. But in 2017 America, it IS very much a race issue. Maybe 500 years from now, it won't be. If we continue on our current tract of subsidizing the dumbsh*ts, we are going to have an 80% white ruling class who amasses 20% of the population, ruling (behind gated communities) over an 80% mixed/brown population (all the poor whites/blacks/etc. mixed together) who constantly fight each other over the scraps from the 20%'s table. If we stop that crap and start instilling Judeo-Christian value systems again, the family dynamic will make a comeback and we will become an intelligent civilization again. Race crap will largely go away.

That's how it works throughout history.

I agree with some of this.

But Religion as a value system will never make a comeback. Also, you cannot really put "intelligent" and "religion" in the same sentence because they contradict each other.

The real solution is to curb the reproduction of stupid people. So I agree with putting an end to subsidizing dumbsh*ts. We have to stop supporting losers and rewarding people for having kids they cannot afford.

 

[speed dawg]

I'm more intelligent than you. And I say that you can go fvck yourself.

What's up your ass lately? I understand if you disagree with folks but you've went directly to insults the past week or so.

 

[speed dawg]

But Religion as a value system will never make a comeback. Also, you cannot really put "intelligent" and "religion" in the same sentence because they contradict each other.

Yeah this is where we diverge, and that's OK. My intellect tells me that Christianity checks out, all the facts are there. Evolution doesn't hold up, and neither do the other world religions (some are closer than others).

 

[Urbanyst]

Yeah this is where we diverge, and that's OK. My intellect tells me that Christianity checks out, all the facts are there. Evolution doesn't hold up, and neither do the other world religions (some are closer than others).

I would say the opposite is true. Except for other world religions. All the religions are equally fabricated.

But what everyone needs to accept is that humans simply don't know a lot about the world and maybe never will. We should all just accept that we don't know instead of making sh*t up.

 

[speed dawg]

I would say the opposite is true. Except for other world religions. All the religions are equally fabricated.

But what everyone needs to accept is that humans simply don't know a lot about the world and maybe never will. We should all just accept that we don't know instead of making sh*t up.

I'll take my chances believing in a creative designer of the world. The way I see it, if we die and turn to dirt, neither of us will care about this. If we both die and I'm in heaven and you are not, well, I'll say I'm getting the better end of that deal. Of course, I'd rather us all be in heaven hanging out, but that's your choice.

What is your evidence that the world was NOT created by a divine creator? Evolution? That's so easily dis-proven. How do you explain DNA? How do you explain the fact that the world/life should really not exist in it's current state?

 

[Bible_Belt]

But what everyone needs to accept is that humans simply don't know a lot about the world and maybe never will.

That's one of the central themes of most religions. Your failure to see that indicates that you are not especially well-read.

 

[Urbanyst]

That's one of the central themes of most religions. Your failure to see that indicates that you are not especially well-read.

If I wasn't well-read I would probably still be religious. If you were well-read you would not be saying evolution doesn't check out.

Religion tries to explain the unexplained through fabrications instead of just saying "I don't know."

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

That's one of the central themes of most religions.

It's also the central theme of science. The kind of science populated by atheists.

 

[speed dawg]

If I wasn't well-read I would probably still be religious. If you were well-read you would not be saying evolution doesn't check out.

Religion tries to explain the unexplained through fabrications instead of just saying "I don't know."

Actually, I am the one saying evolution doesn't check out.

You still haven't responded to post #50.

 

[Urbanyst]

Actually, I am the one saying evolution doesn't check out.

You still haven't responded to post #50.

Evolution checks out as much if not more than any religion does.

I didn't see post #50. Here you go:

I'll take my chances believing in a creative designer of the world. The way I see it, if we die and turn to dirt, neither of us will care about this. If we both die and I'm in heaven and you are not, well, I'll say I'm getting the better end of that deal. Of course, I'd rather us all be in heaven hanging out, but that's your choice.

So its less about what is actually true and more about you are just terrified of what happens when you die? Kind of a moot point. This isn't about emotions. Its about what is true and what isn't.

What is your evidence that the world was NOT created by a divine creator? Evolution? That's so easily dis-proven. How do you explain DNA? How do you explain the fact that the world/life should really not exist in it's current state?

Again.. I don't have to explain anything. Its arrogant to think humans have the capacity to completely understand the world. Just admit you don't know and stop making up fairy tales to fill in the gaps.

What evidence do I have the world was not created by a divide creator? What evidence do you have that this "divine creator" is not a total fabrication?

Also.. who or what created this divine creator? If everything must have a creator.. then the creator also needs a creator.

 

[speed dawg]

So its less about what is actually true and more about you are just terrified of what happens when you die? Kind of a moot point. This isn't about emotions. Its about what is true and what isn't.

Again.. I don't have to explain anything. Its arrogant to think humans have the capacity to completely understand the world. Just admit you don't know and stop making up fairy tales to fill in the gaps.

What evidence do I have the world was not created by a divide creator? What evidence do you have that this "divine creator" is not a total fabrication?

Also.. who or what created this divine creator? If everything must have a creator.. then the creator also needs a creator.

From my research, Christianity is the 'most' true. Evolution doesn't work because it's simply impossible to evolve from a bird to a monkey. A bird can evolve into a different type of bird, but not into another species. Scientists have spent years trying to create test tube life while controlling every variable in every experiment, and still can't get anything close to the perfection we see in DNA.

In addition, the Bible has been proven as closely as possible to have happened. It documents real events. The Koran does the same, they believe nearly the same as Christians except for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ (which again, has historical documentation). It's all we have, historians agree. Scientists talk of millions of years, but most fossils were not accurately dated, and new data is coming out that dates many of them back to the great flood. There is no observational science supporting 'millions of years'. THAT was what was made up in order to attempt to support an essentially zero chance that evolution created the world. The Big Bang could have actually happened and that's supported, and it fits with Biblical history.

So no, I don't think we can 100% know beyond a shadow of a doubt, but I guess that's where your faith comes in. I truly believe in divine intervention and personally feel like I've seen that play out.

 

[Gimple]

The Bible has been proven as closely as possible to have happened. It documents real events.

I highly doubt that.

Please tell us how it has been proven that these events have actually happened...

1) The first woman came from a man's rib
2) Pieces of bread rained down from the sky (before planes were invented)
3) A man lived inside the belly of a big fish for 3 days
4) A man came back from the dead after 3 days
5) A sea defied gravity and parted so people could walk through it
6) A man walked on water
7) A child was conceived without sexual intercourse by an invisible entity
8) Both a snake and a donkey talked
9) A man flew up into the sky without a plane or wings
10) A lame man walked and a blind man regained his vision
11) A woman turned into a pillar of salt in an instant
12) The weather obeyed a man's commands
13) All the first-borns of a people died at the exact same time
14) A piece of wood turned into a snake
15) Water instantly turned into wine

I could go on and on.

And you're telling us that it's been proven these events have happened? Really? Where did I miss the proof?

Please, do show it to us, because as far as I'm concerned, if a person believes any of these zany and far-fetched things actually happened, they're clearly delusional and lack the ability to think rationally.

 

[Urbanyst]

From my research, Christianity is the 'most' true. Evolution doesn't work because it's simply impossible to evolve from a bird to a monkey. A bird can evolve into a different type of bird, but not into another species. Scientists have spent years trying to create test tube life while controlling every variable in every experiment, and still can't get anything close to the perfection we see in DNA.

In addition, the Bible has been proven as closely as possible to have happened. It documents real events. The Koran does the same, they believe nearly the same as Christians except for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ (which again, has historical documentation). It's all we have, historians agree. Scientists talk of millions of years, but most fossils were not accurately dated, and new data is coming out that dates many of them back to the great flood. There is no observational science supporting 'millions of years'. THAT was what was made up in order to attempt to support an essentially zero chance that evolution created the world. The Big Bang could have actually happened and that's supported, and it fits with Biblical history.

So no, I don't think we can 100% know beyond a shadow of a doubt, but I guess that's where your faith comes in. I truly believe in divine intervention and personally feel like I've seen that play out.

Cool. We can agree to disagree.

I'll tell you why I believe in evolution, then we can move on. Going back to your bird example. Over enough time a bird can indeed evolve into a completely different type of animal.

Here is how it works. With every new generation there are mutations. For instance, blue eyes in humans are a mutation. The first humans didn't have that. Mutations are basically "new genes" that occur on their own without past history. Over millions of years these mutations pile up. This is how you can get from a bird to a tiger.

Also, let me give you some perspective on how much time it takes for things to evolve. If you are familiar with Dinosaurs you probably know about the T-Rex and the Stegosaurus. Ready to have your mind blown? The period of time between the last Stegosaurus and the first T-Rex is a longer period of time than the last T-Rex and the first human. Just some perspective.

And thanks for keeping this mature. I know its a topic people can get heated on.

 

[Gimple]

The bible does document actual real events. Your claim for specific items to be proven is actually a buy of a strawman here.

I'm not saying the Bible doesn't base its fictions off some real events. But the ones I listed certainly aren't any of them.

1. People have come back from "the dead" before and it is believed they were in actual comas.

If they were in comas, they weren't actually dead then, were they?

2. Frogs and other things have "rained" before, bread is certainly a possibility.

Perhaps wind can sweep up a bunch of frogs. But frogs and bread are very different things. Bread takes preparation. Are you really telling me that the wind swept through several bakeries, picked up all the bread and then re-located it miles and miles away in the desert, and it did this for 40 years straight? Right.

3. Water parting has been attributed to the precursor of a tsunami, when water was sucked out to sea....only to come crashing back in a typical massive wave.

I reckon that if water is going to get sucked out, it's going to all be sucked out together in basically one general direction. There's not going to be an arbitrary "line" somewhere in the sea, then half the water goes one way, while the rest goes in the opposite direction. That defies simple physics.

4. It was possible to predict weather or eclipses and be thought to posses great power, simply for understanding how things worked.

So are you saying Jesus spent a lot of time studying weather patterns, then timed his words with the precise moment that the storm would cease? I suspect I'd have a better chance of winning the lottery TWICE before that would happen.

 

[Gimple]

1. They only need to be perceived as dead.

So you're saying nobody in the Bible actually came back from the dead? That was one of my points.

2-4. After thousands of years and many translations, do you really believe any retelling would be exact? Hell, people cannot even get past one retelling without getting things wrong.

Again, you seem to be arguing my point. If the retelling isn't exact, then the event didn't actually happen as portrayed.

 

[Gimple]

1. I am saying they appeared to have come back from the dead.

Exactly, so nobody has ever come back from the dead. We agree.

2. And if you are focused on appearing to be "right" moreso than understanding what likely happened and how it was interpreted, then congratulations, goal achieved.

I understand what didn't happen ... all the points in my list.

 

[Gimple]

I don't see how @Bible_Belt could have possibly mistaken me for you. He's not too perceptive.