LostAndConfused
Master Don Juan
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Hey guys, I'll warn yall ahead of time, this is a very opinionated post. You might agree with some of the things I say, you might disagree with everything. Some may even be offended, but I'm not trolling. I'm just wondering what your opinions are on this....
This may start weird but you'll see what I'm getting at if you read the whole post. Chimpanzees, our closest relatives, have very defined, structured hierarchies in their social structure. You have the alpha male, the most dominant male of the group, who gets to breed with most of the females. Then the beta-male, who is second, usually physically weaker than the alpha-male, who gets to breed a little bit, but definitely not as much, and it gets to progressively inferior male chimps. This is inherent: the chimps know this, so often times the beta-male and other inferior males can group-up and overthrow the alpha-male, essentially securing the females for them, and kicking the alpha out. Thus in that group of chimps, the beta male becomes the alpha. But the kicked out alpha is still an alpha. He can go to a different group, start off inferior, and eventually his alpha-genes kick in and he becomes the dominant leader of the pack.
"Now LostAC, whats the point?!"
"Hold on, I'll get there, be patient."
In humans, this situation is very similar. However, we can't "overthrow" the alpha males, now can we? Its against our social creeds handed down through the generations. You can't just knock on the door of the guy who's nailing the hottest chicks and hold a civilians protest and kick him out of your town/city/state/nation/planet, can you?!
No! But we intelligent humans have the beta-males on top. The beta-males run everything. Of course they aren't always nailing the dimes, but they run it. In fact, some even dare to claim that religion was founded by humanities beta-males, in order to give hope to those who aren't born with a genetic-silver-spoon in their mouth (I disagree with this however)! Now how are the beta-males on top? Well, strength in numbers of course? Naturally, women are a limited source. Although there are probably 3.5 billion females on this planet right now, the female population that WE ALL WANT, is desired by a greater population of males. So yes, a select few (out of the billions out there) are nailing a large amount of the hottest chicks out there, leaving the rest of us to fight over the rest of the decent looking girls.
Sure, the HB10 might marry the beta-male, but she does it for his resources. While she is giving him the bare-minimum of sex he needs to get by (if any), she is thinking about the alpha male. The stereotypical "hot pool boy" who she cheats on her spouse with. But because of the vast majority of males being beta or even more inferior, many things out there are directed towards this majority.
The porn industry is a testament to this! Seriously, alpha-males don't need porn as much as the rest of the pack....why make love to your hand only watching hot babes go at it when you could be the one making love to the hot chicks? The alpha males are the guys fvcking the attractive girls IN those amateur pornos.
"Now thats all fair and good, but how do us Don Juans and PUAs fit into the picture?
Heres where I think DJs and PUAs are divided.
Some are natural alphas who perhaps just grew up in an environment where they were raised as an AFC. Perhaps they were the guy who stayed in his room all his high school life playing WoW and when he stumbles upon here, he learns seduction how to make himself attractive to women, and how to be a man. These are the success stories we love to here. After learning seduction, they release that inner-alpha and score with really attractive women. Neil Strauss and many other famous PUAs are probably this type of alpha-male-PUA.
Some are beta-males, who, in learning seduction, are able to put up a successful front that they are alpha-males to women. While they aren't necessarily natural alpha-males, they can successfully look like they are alpha's to women and score with attractive women as well.
But still, there are others, perhaps less than beta-males, the gamma-male if you will. This third class off PUA/DJ often goes ignored. IMO, Learning seduction just doesn't work for every guy. People like Strauss who sell seduction make sure this type of person gets ignored. They may get flamed here, they post up unsuccessful approaches where they thought they did the right thing but didn't close in any way, shape, or form. Their front, perhaps even false confidence, doesn't work well enough, and their inner inferiority shines through. Sure their seduction will finally work with a chick, but that chick will want more. She'll secretly want the alpha male. She will eventually flake on him and he gets one-itis and doesn't know what to do. Hell, they might even get married, but she'll be unsatisfied because all women want the alpha.
So what are your thoughts on this? I really think there is a class of aspiring DJs who leave here unsuccessful and ignored. Slightly depressing.
Sure its easy to say that they were lacking confidence or those other main keys of seduction that are listed in TONS of articles here, but I think some just can't pull it off, no matter how consciously and unconsciously they force feed seduction into them.
Just putting up my fifty-cents though.
This may start weird but you'll see what I'm getting at if you read the whole post. Chimpanzees, our closest relatives, have very defined, structured hierarchies in their social structure. You have the alpha male, the most dominant male of the group, who gets to breed with most of the females. Then the beta-male, who is second, usually physically weaker than the alpha-male, who gets to breed a little bit, but definitely not as much, and it gets to progressively inferior male chimps. This is inherent: the chimps know this, so often times the beta-male and other inferior males can group-up and overthrow the alpha-male, essentially securing the females for them, and kicking the alpha out. Thus in that group of chimps, the beta male becomes the alpha. But the kicked out alpha is still an alpha. He can go to a different group, start off inferior, and eventually his alpha-genes kick in and he becomes the dominant leader of the pack.
"Now LostAC, whats the point?!"
"Hold on, I'll get there, be patient."
In humans, this situation is very similar. However, we can't "overthrow" the alpha males, now can we? Its against our social creeds handed down through the generations. You can't just knock on the door of the guy who's nailing the hottest chicks and hold a civilians protest and kick him out of your town/city/state/nation/planet, can you?!
No! But we intelligent humans have the beta-males on top. The beta-males run everything. Of course they aren't always nailing the dimes, but they run it. In fact, some even dare to claim that religion was founded by humanities beta-males, in order to give hope to those who aren't born with a genetic-silver-spoon in their mouth (I disagree with this however)! Now how are the beta-males on top? Well, strength in numbers of course? Naturally, women are a limited source. Although there are probably 3.5 billion females on this planet right now, the female population that WE ALL WANT, is desired by a greater population of males. So yes, a select few (out of the billions out there) are nailing a large amount of the hottest chicks out there, leaving the rest of us to fight over the rest of the decent looking girls.
Sure, the HB10 might marry the beta-male, but she does it for his resources. While she is giving him the bare-minimum of sex he needs to get by (if any), she is thinking about the alpha male. The stereotypical "hot pool boy" who she cheats on her spouse with. But because of the vast majority of males being beta or even more inferior, many things out there are directed towards this majority.
The porn industry is a testament to this! Seriously, alpha-males don't need porn as much as the rest of the pack....why make love to your hand only watching hot babes go at it when you could be the one making love to the hot chicks? The alpha males are the guys fvcking the attractive girls IN those amateur pornos.
"Now thats all fair and good, but how do us Don Juans and PUAs fit into the picture?
Heres where I think DJs and PUAs are divided.
Some are natural alphas who perhaps just grew up in an environment where they were raised as an AFC. Perhaps they were the guy who stayed in his room all his high school life playing WoW and when he stumbles upon here, he learns seduction how to make himself attractive to women, and how to be a man. These are the success stories we love to here. After learning seduction, they release that inner-alpha and score with really attractive women. Neil Strauss and many other famous PUAs are probably this type of alpha-male-PUA.
Some are beta-males, who, in learning seduction, are able to put up a successful front that they are alpha-males to women. While they aren't necessarily natural alpha-males, they can successfully look like they are alpha's to women and score with attractive women as well.
But still, there are others, perhaps less than beta-males, the gamma-male if you will. This third class off PUA/DJ often goes ignored. IMO, Learning seduction just doesn't work for every guy. People like Strauss who sell seduction make sure this type of person gets ignored. They may get flamed here, they post up unsuccessful approaches where they thought they did the right thing but didn't close in any way, shape, or form. Their front, perhaps even false confidence, doesn't work well enough, and their inner inferiority shines through. Sure their seduction will finally work with a chick, but that chick will want more. She'll secretly want the alpha male. She will eventually flake on him and he gets one-itis and doesn't know what to do. Hell, they might even get married, but she'll be unsatisfied because all women want the alpha.
So what are your thoughts on this? I really think there is a class of aspiring DJs who leave here unsuccessful and ignored. Slightly depressing.
Sure its easy to say that they were lacking confidence or those other main keys of seduction that are listed in TONS of articles here, but I think some just can't pull it off, no matter how consciously and unconsciously they force feed seduction into them.Just putting up my fifty-cents though.