"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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she cancelled date/never called back ?

scordate

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There is this woman, single mother, that I've been seeing for a while; not dating but meeting perhaps 2 times / month. There clearly is some chemestri between us, (but we are still only hugging), but she has 2 teenage boys and a job with odd work hours, and she has some issues with her past dating.

Tuesday I suddenly had 2 tickets for a concert with her fav. artist in my hands (concert on Friday night), out of the blue, so I sent her a text message tuesday morning and emailed her an invitation for dinner and concert, saying that I just got the tickets.

Wednesday morning she sent me a text message back thanking for the invite but saying that she was not sure that she could make it but that she would get back to me on the phone.

Wednesday and Thursday went with nothing from her, Friday at noon I sent her a text message saying that I presumed she couldnt make it, and that I btw would not be awailable on phone/text message due to work till 16:00 p.m.

Well, nothing from her even after that text message.

Ok, she is obviously playing some kind of game, cause if she really was not interested, I believe any woman would have said; 'thanx but no thanx' or 'thanx but I have another date for friday' but this;

"I am not sure I'll call you back"
and then nothing !

for sure smells like gameplaying ?

So what would the suave 'stand' be on my part ?

Obviously I should not show angry/mad/disappointed feelings, but should I at all contact her this weekend ?

fx. text message : "great fun at concert. sorry you misssed it. perhaps another time ?"

or should I wait for her to get back with apologies
yada yada

and if she 'offered' a replacement date; should I accept ?

what is the consensus ?

/ scordate
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Good_ol_boy

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Interest level in dating you on a scale of 1->100:
3

Sorry!
 

SELF-MASTERY

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she doent like you.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Aztec

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Sorry to say that you shouldn't have gotten her a pricey concert ticket.

It's bad on her part not responding to your invitation. Gameplaying? Since she has children it wouldn't be necessarily that her interest level is low (which probably is) but her children come first. She probably has someone else and she rather not say anything than telling you that she has someone else.

If I am in your situation and she offers me a date, I would accept it. I wouldn't expect so much coming out of that date though. Go out and have fun.

For the time being, go find other women to go out with. Then it would still be your choice if you want to occasionally date her while you have other women on the side. Don't shut that her chapter yet, put her on the backburner for now.
 

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This is what I ****ing hate about this site.

You guys use this as an opportunity to kick a brother while he's down.

This girl has no social skills at all, and we all realize she is a loser, but you condemn this guy and say she has no interest level in him?

The girl is the one with the problem here. I don't necessarily think it is the fact that her interest level is low, she is just flakey.

The reason I had to post this, is that basically we are dealing with a subset of flakey women nowadays. When you say her interest level is low you are almost putting the blame on the guy.

I disagree. We are in a bull**** society now where it is the guys fault all teh ****ing time. I won't take that anymore.

It's kind of like this movie preview I saw a few weeks ago before Star Wars. The guy and the girl scored movie tickets and at the end the girl pulled a trick on him that she was going to a different movie even though a guy thought he was on a date.

Well I am tired of the media and everyone else portraying guys as hapless AFC's and giving women all the power. This is flat out wrong.

This is why I love ****y and funny so much. You tease a girl and get your power back. We have put the women of this society (United States) on way too much of a pedestal for too long and it's time we stop because it is turning them into a spoiled brats that only want **** their way.

You may all think I'm an AFC because of the way I've been acting over that girl that broke up with me 2 months ago. Well she is a perfect example of a woman who flaked out because she couldn't handle change. I refuse to accept it as my fault and I also only want to get back with her so I can finish on top. Her flakiness which I called her out upon is an epidemic nowadays.

I am starting to believe in the machisimo of yesterday. I am better than the jerks out there now, so I don't have to fake it like them.

I will be back in the game soon enough boys. I feel like a woman hater now, but given the BS of women today and their spoiled sense of entitlement I think I have more than enough just reason.
 

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Scordate, ultimately it's going to be your decision. Sure what she did was flaky. What I'm only saying is she has to raise 2 teens, and odd working hours. If she has interest in you, she would have apologized for not calling you back and/or make time for you 2 to spend more time together.

No it's not Scordate's fault that this incident happened; it's just a fact of the game. The most important thing is how you deal with it. You can say, "Thank you ma'am for this 'wonderful' experience. At least I found out a little more about you." Then turn around and find another one. Or, spend countless days brooding about how could she have done this.
 

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Aztec you are right. I am brooding in my case. I'm pissed. The way it went down is wrong.

I normally move on quick. I think it was the bad combination of moving to a new town, starting a new job in a new career and knowing not a damn soul here that has made it tough for me. It even has been manifesting itself in my dreams.

It is just incredibly tough for me to land such a great prestigious job, but still live in a ****hole apartment (because of the cost of livign) and have my relationship dissolve.
 

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Hey Ricky! I read that thread. I'm really sorry to hear that. You have the right to get pissed. Get pissed and move on.


You damn well know that you WILL rise again, brotha. Jonah got swallowed by a whale, lost his family and his business (I'm not sure in which order) but the brother's faith was unwavering. Things WILL get better. We are captains of our own ships.


Originally posted by Ricky
Aztec you are right. I am brooding in my case. I'm pissed. The way it went down is wrong.

I normally move on quick. I think it was the bad combination of moving to a new town, starting a new job in a new career and knowing not a damn soul here that has made it tough for me. It even has been manifesting itself in my dreams.

It is just incredibly tough for me to land such a great prestigious job, but still live in a ****hole apartment (because of the cost of livign) and have my relationship dissolve.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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hi all ( closing this thread ? )

let me just say that these forums have done wonders for me

I have been an AFC x 117 for way too long !

But you guys have giving me insight and lets face it; a backbone ! or my bone back ? ;-) LOL

So this is my gameplan ( cause she really is quality merchandise)

1. i'll let her get back to me only, not contact her at all - if I never hear from her - so be it
2. if she offers date, i'll take it; sure why not, I'll even let her pay ;-)
3. in the meantime I've been busy online getting dates ( and guys dont put down online dating - i got me 3 dates by emailing women this sunday ! )

only problem is; we'll be seeing each other at a class reunion this fall, but i'll make sure to have forgotten about her not calling back and just act nice to her

just to set the record straight; the tickets for the concert were free for me ;-)
 

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Why aren't you running game in the first place? Isn't that what we're suppose to be doing here? This could be part of your problem.
 

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follow up;
last saturday (day after concert) she texts me and says, i'm out of town but will try to phone you during coming week

saturday morning i get a new text from her suggesting brunch sunday

i read this text saturday evening and text her back asking when sunday she had in mind

she texts me 23:37 saturday evening and suggests 11:00'ish

i read this 01:45 and text her back:
gee whiz why does it always have to be with no or little warning & will text you when I wake up - sweet dreams

i'm really in no mood for brunch sunday so I'll text her suggesting coffee in the afternoon or whatever

i think I know what is going on; her kids are with ex-husband every second weekend and this weekend is the one where she is alone :-(

but she knew this well in advance, so I feel like kinda third option for company, yeah know ?

it helps having had 2 coffee dates in the past week and a third one for next tuesday ( 3 diff. women )
;-) LOL

/ scordate
 

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scordate it is ultimately up to you what you choose to do.i personally know how the flaky women are cause i had the same bs happen to me,made plans she said she couldnt go. well i got home and she had sent something to my instant messager. nothing is as bad as it seems. true ladies can be b*****s but thats the way it is. as long as she is contacting you there is still some level of interest and no need to lose hope,dont be too interested in her though.if she texts you,respond several hours later not immediately.just do the same kinda stuff she does to you.
 

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My take

I posted what is below without being able to see all the replies..looks like things are better AND you are dating other women ( THE KEY!! )

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I would say don't call her back. She did the classic "SLIDE-OUT"...Less frequent phone calls, them some BS text communication like email or SMS, then total ignore.

If you cant get passed the girl try to be seen with other women around her/people she knows etc. Best way to make a woman RE-interested is to be seen having an OUTSTANDING life without her. Wether that means being popular with women, getting a great job, doing something fun and adventerous like traveling to the Chilean mountains ( heh ) whatever.

DJ
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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