Seems I have childish face/look young

[sosousage]

For some women is deal breaker, for some its not.

But, the definition of attractive male face, doesnt contain childish traits.

Any tips?

Example today I dated 29 and 24 old girls. I went for 29 cuz she wasnt even attractive and I thought "oh, easy lay" but actually she wasnt into me. And said I look very young and that I lied to her with my age but I said I didnt (I did).

Anyway I think I've heard this often. Do I just dont care? maybe I should enjoy it because when older, ill look younger?


btw that 24yo was on my laps and kissing but said im her first tinder guy so who knows maybe its lost case

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

Work a really stressful job. It's doing wonders for aging my face, lol.

 

[fanatic22]

Steroids give you a stronger jaw

 

[skinnyguy]

I used to look way young. Now I’m 35 yet look 25 and I’m reaping the benefits.

 

[sosousage]

Steroids give you a stronger jaw

Its not jaw. Its cheeks mainly

 

[guru1000]

You need to learn how to develop a presence.

For example:

Friday night I walked to a hot NYC lounge with a new girl. There was a line halfway around the block of men and hot women waiting/trying to get in. I walked directly to the front to the bouncers (whom I did not know), looked them in the eye, and gave them a nod. They looked at me, the girl, and then opened up the ropes, "Come right in."

As we walk in, I notice the place is crowded, so we walk toward the bar. At the bar, there is seemly no space to squeeze in, so I walk over to a circle of guys at the bar, "Excuse me."

"Yeah, sure," one of them responds, leaving plenty of space for me and the girl to fit in.

Everyone is trying to order a drink and there are only two bartenders. I look over to one bartender in the distance, give him a look, and he comes right over. We order drinks. Soon the guy next to me says, "Excuse me, would you two like a chair."

I can go on and on, but the take home point is learn to develop a presence. This can be done with speech, but is most effectively delivered via your sub-communications, your mental paradigms, your thinking, and your confidence (which is incited by your previous track record in dealings with people).

When a girl says you are too young or too old, the deeper meaning is based not so much on your physicality, but rather the energy you are emanating.

 

[sosousage]

You need to learn how to develop a presence.

For example:

Friday night I walked to a hot NYC lounge with a new girl. There was a line halfway around the block of men and hot women waiting/trying to get in. I walked directly to the front to the bouncers (whom I did not know), looked them in the eye, and gave them a nod. They looked at me, the girl, and then opened up the ropes, "Come right in."

As we walk in, I notice the place is crowded, so we walk toward the bar. At the bar, there is seemly no space to squeeze in, so I walk over to a circle of guys at the bar, "Excuse me."

"Yeah, sure," one of them responds, leaving plenty of space for me and the girl to fit in.

Everyone is trying to order a drink and there are only two bartenders. I look over to one bartender in the distance, give him a look, and he comes right over. We order drinks. Soon the guy next to me says, "Excuse me, would you two like a chair."

I can go on and on, but the take home point is learn to develop a presence. This can be done with speech, but is most effectively delivered via your sub-communications, your mental paradigms, your thinking, and your confidence (which is incited by your previous track record in dealings with people).

When a girl says you are too young or too old, the deeper meaning is based not so much on your physicality, but rather the energy you are emanating.

Umm how to develop it?

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

You need to learn how to develop a presence.

For example:

Friday night I walked to a hot NYC lounge with a new girl. There was a line halfway around the block of men and hot women waiting/trying to get in. I walked directly to the front to the bouncers (whom I did not know), looked them in the eye, and gave them a nod. They looked at me, the girl, and then opened up the ropes, "Come right in."

As we walk in, I notice the place is crowded, so we walk toward the bar. At the bar, there is seemly no space to squeeze in, so I walk over to a circle of guys at the bar, "Excuse me."

"Yeah, sure," one of them responds, leaving plenty of space for me and the girl to fit in.

Everyone is trying to order a drink and there are only two bartenders. I look over to one bartender in the distance, give him a look, and he comes right over. We order drinks. Soon the guy next to me says, "Excuse me, would you two like a chair."

I can go on and on, but the take home point is learn to develop a presence. This can be done with speech, but is most effectively delivered via your sub-communications, your mental paradigms, your thinking, and your confidence (which is incited by your previous track record in dealings with people).

When a girl says you are too young or too old, the deeper meaning is based not so much on your physicality, but rather the energy you are emanating.

If I did that:

There's a trendy London nightclub. People are queuing round the block. I take my new girl and stride purposefully to the bouncers, look them in the eye and nod assuredly.

"Sorry mate, have you got ID?"
"Right here my man."
"Get in da queue then."
"Sorry?"
"Get in tha f*cking queue before I knock you out."
"But-"
*THUMP*

11 stitches and a broken nose, date left me in a pool of blood.

--

Haha silliness aside, props on that. Clearly you exude a manly aura of status. Were you dressed very smartly as well?

 

[sosousage]

If I did that:

There's a trendy London nightclub. People are queuing round the block. I take my new girl and stride purposefully to the bouncers, look them in the eye and nod assuredly.

"Sorry mate, have you got ID?"
"Right here my man."
"Get in da queue then."
"Sorry?"
"Get in tha f*cking queue before I knock you out."
"But-"
*THUMP*

11 stitches and a broken nose, date left me in a pool of blood.

--

Haha silliness aside, props on that. Clearly you exude a manly aura of status. Were you dressed very smartly as well?

I think hes not 100%serious

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Umm how to develop it?

practice.

Toastmasters.

Acting classes

Cold day game opens just for experience (not for results).

takes time, give it some.

 

[guru1000]

Umm how to develop it?

TO is correct. It does take practice. Every day. As you must become IT.

Let's try a simple exercise in "mental paradigms."

I want you to envision that you are the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. You have 52,000 employees, 200 higher manager, and 1,200 lower managers. Your company's book value is $17 billion, and your net worth based on your stock (in the company) alone is $3.2 billion.

I want you to close your eyes, envision, and incorporate this status into your being and psyche for one minute.

• How do you feel? Empowered with purpose or ambivalent?
• Speak. Describe the tonality of your voice. Are you direct or ambiguous in tonality?
• How do you walk? Be specific.
• How do you sit? Be specific.
• What is your body posture? Facial posture?
• A random girl walks up to you, "Hey Mr. Sosouage, it's so nice to finally meet you!" How do you respond?

Answer these questions and I will continue.

 

[Murk]

Agree with guru, be an opportunist, and just commit 100% to the cause, with confidence.

Last month I pushed in a 30 minute queue at the airport at the front, some girl said "oi excuse me what are you doing there's a line" my reply? "yolo" and ignored her, some chatter behind, I paid no mind and I really didn't give a fvck. Nobody said a word. My ex hated that no fvcks given attitude but was more than happy to benefit from it when it suited her. It's of the same essance as the "you don't ask, you don't get" adage.

You need certain level of arrogance and self assured-ness to pull off what guru is describing but I can co-sign that it works, even in London (@ smooth).

It's not a game thing it's a life thing, it's an outlook and a way of living. Personally, coming from struggle and pain allowed me to have a natural "me first" way of doing things. The more bad things that happened in my life the more bold I've become. The more things like guru described you manage to pull off, the more you'll do it , and expect it.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Agree with guru, be an opportunist, and just commit 100% to the cause, with confidence.

Last month I pushed in a 30 minute queue at the airport at the front, some girl said "oi excuse me what are you doing there's a line" my reply? "yolo" and ignored her, some chatter behind, I paid no mind and I really didn't give a fvck. Nobody said a word. My ex hated that no fvcks given attitude but was more than happy to benefit from it when it suited her. It's of the same essance as the "you don't ask, you don't get" adage.

You need certain level of arrogance and self assured-ness to pull off what guru is describing but I can co-sign that it works, even in London (@ smooth).

It's not a game thing it's a life thing, it's an outlook and a way of living. Personally, coming from struggle and pain allowed me to have a natural "me first" way of doing things. The more bad things that happened in my life the more bold I've become. The more things like guru described you manage to pull off, the more you'll do it , and expect it.

What bad things happened to you?

 

[Murk]

What bad things happened to you?

Troubled upbringing from 7-18 year old with a wide array of abuse (non sexual, touch wood), watching my mum die 2 years ago was the catalyst, I've effectively felt the worst feelings (bar watching your child die) you can imagine. It's liberating, there is no fear now, of anything.

That's not the only way to achieve it of course, it's just my personal journey in life and the only angle I can speak on.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

You need to learn how to develop a presence.

For example:

Friday night I walked to a hot NYC lounge with a new girl. There was a line halfway around the block of men and hot women waiting/trying to get in. I walked directly to the front to the bouncers (whom I did not know), looked them in the eye, and gave them a nod. They looked at me, the girl, and then opened up the ropes, "Come right in."

As we walk in, I notice the place is crowded, so we walk toward the bar. At the bar, there is seemly no space to squeeze in, so I walk over to a circle of guys at the bar, "Excuse me."

"Yeah, sure," one of them responds, leaving plenty of space for me and the girl to fit in.

Everyone is trying to order a drink and there are only two bartenders. I look over to one bartender in the distance, give him a look, and he comes right over. We order drinks. Soon the guy next to me says, "Excuse me, would you two like a chair."

I can go on and on, but the take home point is learn to develop a presence. This can be done with speech, but is most effectively delivered via your sub-communications, your mental paradigms, your thinking, and your confidence (which is incited by your previous track record in dealings with people).

When a girl says you are too young or too old, the deeper meaning is based not so much on your physicality, but rather the energy you are emanating.

What do you talk about on your dates?

I can't get past boring small talk.

 

[guru1000]

I talk about anything I want to talk about. The content of the convo matters not nearly as much as from whom it's coming.

Owning the Frame in the simplest sense is that your perceived value is higher than hers, so the time and attention you give her is valued and appreciated. When you operate from this context even if your perceived value in relation to hers has not yet been ascertained and she is uncertain, the working dynamic of assuming this will slowly metamorphose your frame into the frame.

Last night, I went on a date and was inquiring about her body language as the topic interests me. She had her hand on my leg at one moment, and then her hand around my shoulders at another. Her body posture was incongruent with her extremely feminine appearance. So I told her, "You're extremely feminine-looking, but your body language signifies ..." This turned into a conversation of intergender dynamics, "game," attraction, and male/female polarity. Her words, "you are extremely masculine, and I notice the way that you communicate with people (she meant the waiter and bartender), people always defer to you." Notice implicit in her response, is her surrendering her frame to me. It didn't really matter what I said beyond that point.

Barring extreme topics, I would encourage you to stay on topics that interest you and focus more on the context and delivery rather than the content.