"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Scenesterism and Pick Up

Wilko

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Scenesters.

What is a scenester? Any adult who's more worried about fitting in with a particular social group than actually meeting and evaluating individuals on a person-by-person basis.

Hipsters. Valley girls. Hippies. Gangstas. But yeah, ESPECIALLY hipsters...

If you're not in high school anymore, you should drop the cliques. Just get along with cool people of any background.
Courtesy of Iceberg.

I was thinking about the fact that I've never had my way with a scenester chick which got me thinking about the way I market and present myself to the world. I'm not wife, kids and mortgage mainstream but I don't have a scene (something with an image and a uniform) I'm into either. I think most women are probably mainstream so it's nice to know I'm not screwing myself out of too many opportunities. Of course there's some outrageously hot little hipster and rockabilly chicks around.

Do scenester guys score mainstream girls?

How hard is it for mainstream guys to score scenester girls?

How much scenester on scenester action is taking place? i.e. goth on jock, cheerleader on hippie, club-rat on hipster, gangsta on chess club, douchebag on cowgirl?

It seems like it's a case of picking your niche and being the best DJ you can within that scene. OR, are there actually guys here who are legitimately breaking into any scene they want and making off with the p00n?
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Well, I do know that about 65-70% of all relationships occur through social circles/cliques, so there ya go. If your not in a clique, its exponentially harder to get women because you are a random stranger to the world
 

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You can score any girl from any scene if you can make them want to visit your tribe.

I hate labeling myself as anything but if anything I probably fall in the artsy/hipster/rocker scenes. But both of my plates are more mainstream. One kind of falls into the hippy category, but only because she smokes down. The other is straight up mainstream.

It is not hard to pull a mainstream girl if you're part of a scene that is foreign to her. It allows her to experience a fun lifestyle she would normally never see.

However, if you live a fairly mainstream life (i.e. you listen to Top 40 radio, dress mainstream, stick to one type of club where all the mainstream people are, etc.) you will not offer anything exciting to those outside of the mainstream tribes.

If you're a tribe jumper, meaning, you can hang out with the punks, hipsters, greasers, stoners, rockabillies, mainstreamers etc. You are offering loads more value because you can show a girl all these other tribes.
 

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What do you mean by mainstream? Ordinary guys/girls not in any scene?

But yeah, its about fitting into what scene you find your niche in. And being the best in it, something I'm trying to conquer at the moment. I don't really have a scene, but because I play ball, rowdy, loud, banging weights, narcisstic, sports and treat women badly, I guess that throws me within the Jock/College Gym Rat scene, if there is such a thing.
 

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You can score any girl from any scene if you can make them want to visit your tribe.
Riiiiiight! Isolate her, do the seduction on your terms, choose the battleground, show her something different, demonstrate value, DJ-101. You can't beat the basics.

Well, I do know that about 65-70% of all relationships occur through social circles/cliques, so there ya go. If your not in a clique, its exponentially harder to get women because you are a random stranger to the world
Yeah this is certainly true, it's the opposite side of the same coin that Unflushables was talking about. Going direct, not isolating, competing for value within her clique, how could it not end in a crash and burn?

That's handy stuff.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Wilko

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What do you mean by mainstream? Ordinary guys/girls not in any scene?
Yep.

Ok so let's say you give off a Jock vibe, what type of girls do you do best and worst with Mad Ghost?

I'm military with a bit of a sciencey/conservative/libertarian edge, I do best with slightly sporty, college educated ****tail drinkers, meh, they're ok. I do worst with wine dinking, home renovating, ready to settle types. Just different shades of mainstream really.
 

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Wilko said:
Yep.

Ok so let's say you give off a Jock vibe, what type of girls do you do best and worst with Mad Ghost?
Do good - ADHD College Party-Chicks, Sportfvckers, Sorority college-types, Tattoos and V-Neck Tshirts-on-Men-Lovers LOL, and on a rare occasion, some Hipster-Rockabilly chicks - the ''far out'' weird, psychotic ones.

Do worst - Goths, Emos, Valley Girl types, Socialite wannabes, Club rats (sometimes) and generally mainstream girls who think extra highly of themselves. I won't say Hipster chicks, as I've never really been in the position of being in their circle or environment really, nor do I bother approaching any, but there a few Hipster variation types,

I'm not sure who or what they call themselves, but they wear skinny trousers (usually khaki or cordroids), sweaters with 70s/80s icons, nerd frames/glasses, Perry Boat Shoes or Nike trainers, extra large cardigans, V-neck t shirts, nartical tattoos etc. I've dated a few of those types of girls. Usually, the ones I like as their personality is super outgoing, widerange and always fun. Plus they're usually intelligent.


I remember I had some of the best sex with a Hipster-type girl, the theme was hot steamy jock and cheerleader roleplay in my bathroom. She had the best personality out of all the girls yet. Although she could get annoying for talking too much and abit of a try-hard.
 

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I jump all across all of the categories and races. I guess physically I would fall under the "GQ/playa/smooth brotha" but ive dated nerdy asian girls, trendy black chicks, preppy whites, pseudo whites, rockers, straight off the boat latinas, euro chicks. My niche would have to be cars/drag racing scene
 

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Kerpal said:
Wait... people still give a **** about this kind of stuff after high school?

Its human nature to belong to a group. We are tribal animals. Its in our DNA after thousands of years of living that way.

That being said, I was a raver back in my day and I always brought women into the tribe, the ones already in the tribe, we would bang and toss back to the afcs of the tribe. Since I was a dj, promoter, mc and producer and ran my own label/production company I had some alpha status. Surpisingly when I gave it all up to be a good clean living family man, I lost my woman...I wasn't alpha in a tribe anymore. I was just an ordinary schlub with a day job and bills.
 
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