Aurora Demon
Senior Don Juan
No Flakes!
After some time in the game and having this happen to me constantly I broke down why it was happening.
* Young girls are flaky - no sense or responsibility yet, they don't live and die by calendars like old working hags yet. I live by calendar items so I find this extremely bothersome. If you ever date older girls you'll find they are 15x more reliable, as well as 15x more foul.
* People in general are flaky, might make commitments cause it's easier, only to have something that sounds more here and now exciting come up later.
* They feel attraction for you high in set, but the attraction fades as they aren't with you and they forget.
* The attraction causes them to realize if they hang out w/ you they might be bad to society, and you might be a player, they can't let themselves hang out w/ you, cause they know they will have to duke you.
* They want to do what their friends are doing
* Sometimes situations change and it's impossible to know what's going on in their life. Some things I've done that have resulted in less flakyness- but don't get me wrong, I still get flakes, but I've seen vast improvements:
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1. Numbers game, I have to meet even more girls cause I know that most will prob flake.
2. I now stay in set much longer before number closing. Run more material, as it might be my only chance to get them to know my personality more.
3. Number close in a way that she has your number too - eg put your number in her phone, or I do the business card # close where I rip it in half and get their number and trade them.
4. Give them a nickname while in set to use for call / text back humor.
5. Take extensive notes on them after I meet them so I can use that for negs / call back humor, teasing.
6. Instadate = no flakes on day2's. If you can instadate - I know it's tough sometimes w/ the situation. It doesn't need to be your real day2, but any type of instadate or venue location, say from class to a snack, or class down to bookstore. That highly reduces flakes. They get to know you're a safe fun guy, and most importantly they've invested in your interaction.
7. Make them qualify and build some comfort.
8. Text them 5min after you number close "now that you have my number, are you doing to use it for booty calls" or "now that you have my number don't use it for booty calls". This sets the frame, and they have your phone number. If she isn't about this, then that saved you a lot of time.
9. Do day2's on anyday but the weekend. Sunday, Mon, Tues, Wed are best. These are days she's likely to not have any prior commitments and be free. Weekends, she's either got plans or her friends have plans and she feels the need to tag along. Also if she were to day2 you on a weekend her friends would ask where she was and she'd feel sexually guilty for hanging out w/ you. Don't get me wrong I day2 Saturday afternoons, but I find less flaky when it's a weekday.
10. Have them bring you something. "You can tag along, but only if you bring me a water... blah anything"
11. Qualify them, remembering what they said, you said you were creative, so if you promise to be extra creative today, I'll let you tag along w/ me shopping at ikea, shopping at mall for imaginary sis, you get the idea.
12. Nail them on the date - "whatcha up to on Monday? if they say they are busy- yeah, I'm going out w/ my guy friends to (barname)that night, blah blah. How about tuesday, until they say nothing, then go for that date.
13. Make yourself busy, like instead of well I coud do it monday or wed, say the only day I can go is wed. Call their bluff, and you'll find they aren't as busy as they act, they will drop going to dinner w/ a girlfriend to go on your day2.
14. If they do flake , and apologize say "I'll wait and see how you make it up to me before I pass judgement" in a joking way.
15. Mark it up in your notes when they flake. Then if you aren't still talking to her, follow up in a month or few weeks later. Once I went through my phone and called girls from 1 year previous who had flake while I was driving 3 hours. Out of 19 girls, one of them was super excited and we hung out the next week and I immediately duked her. New kill.
16. Seeding. This is key even if you don't do the actual thing you talked about.
17. I found good results when I do it fake spur of the moment day2's. I used to schedule girls, like ok, let's meet up tues (cause I'm actually mega busy) then they'd fake. Now I try the Tues call them up at 6pm, and say "whatcha doing right now?" then say perfect, you can tag along w/ me to ____ works much better for these young ones. It's fake in that I put it in my calendar, then I called up 3 bs.
18. If you can insta date them to meet your hot friends and cool ones even better. She will report back to the group that you have hot friends that she'll setup w/ her friends.
19. Depends on how you frame the day2 also - I try to be mysterious, if I can get away with it I won't tell them what we are doing , a surprise but I'll give them hints.
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I still get more flakes than I’d like to, but it’s much less than my starting out 100% flake rate. so I try not to get too hung up after number closing a girl, even when there's a girl I know it was real solid, I'll still get a flake, then sometimes when I was in a rush and only had 5min we'll actually hang out! It's a gamble so I never think of who I'm day2 ing.
Instead I will call all the girls I met the previous week and try to day2 all of them, sometimes on my sat day2's I'll schedule 2 of them to meet me, hoping one will flake. Then I'll contact them and reverse flake on them, canceling last minute.
✟ I'm always trying to find more day2 options, what do you do for day's?
✟ What have you done to decrease your flakes?
✟ How do they flake?
✟ How do you tell them about the day2?
I hope some of this is helpful, and please share anythings you have done to decrease your flakes.
After some time in the game and having this happen to me constantly I broke down why it was happening.
* Young girls are flaky - no sense or responsibility yet, they don't live and die by calendars like old working hags yet. I live by calendar items so I find this extremely bothersome. If you ever date older girls you'll find they are 15x more reliable, as well as 15x more foul.
* People in general are flaky, might make commitments cause it's easier, only to have something that sounds more here and now exciting come up later.
* They feel attraction for you high in set, but the attraction fades as they aren't with you and they forget.
* The attraction causes them to realize if they hang out w/ you they might be bad to society, and you might be a player, they can't let themselves hang out w/ you, cause they know they will have to duke you.
* They want to do what their friends are doing
* Sometimes situations change and it's impossible to know what's going on in their life. Some things I've done that have resulted in less flakyness- but don't get me wrong, I still get flakes, but I've seen vast improvements:
_________________
1. Numbers game, I have to meet even more girls cause I know that most will prob flake.
2. I now stay in set much longer before number closing. Run more material, as it might be my only chance to get them to know my personality more.
3. Number close in a way that she has your number too - eg put your number in her phone, or I do the business card # close where I rip it in half and get their number and trade them.
4. Give them a nickname while in set to use for call / text back humor.
5. Take extensive notes on them after I meet them so I can use that for negs / call back humor, teasing.
6. Instadate = no flakes on day2's. If you can instadate - I know it's tough sometimes w/ the situation. It doesn't need to be your real day2, but any type of instadate or venue location, say from class to a snack, or class down to bookstore. That highly reduces flakes. They get to know you're a safe fun guy, and most importantly they've invested in your interaction.
7. Make them qualify and build some comfort.
8. Text them 5min after you number close "now that you have my number, are you doing to use it for booty calls" or "now that you have my number don't use it for booty calls". This sets the frame, and they have your phone number. If she isn't about this, then that saved you a lot of time.
9. Do day2's on anyday but the weekend. Sunday, Mon, Tues, Wed are best. These are days she's likely to not have any prior commitments and be free. Weekends, she's either got plans or her friends have plans and she feels the need to tag along. Also if she were to day2 you on a weekend her friends would ask where she was and she'd feel sexually guilty for hanging out w/ you. Don't get me wrong I day2 Saturday afternoons, but I find less flaky when it's a weekday.
10. Have them bring you something. "You can tag along, but only if you bring me a water... blah anything"
11. Qualify them, remembering what they said, you said you were creative, so if you promise to be extra creative today, I'll let you tag along w/ me shopping at ikea, shopping at mall for imaginary sis, you get the idea.
12. Nail them on the date - "whatcha up to on Monday? if they say they are busy- yeah, I'm going out w/ my guy friends to (barname)that night, blah blah. How about tuesday, until they say nothing, then go for that date.
13. Make yourself busy, like instead of well I coud do it monday or wed, say the only day I can go is wed. Call their bluff, and you'll find they aren't as busy as they act, they will drop going to dinner w/ a girlfriend to go on your day2.
14. If they do flake , and apologize say "I'll wait and see how you make it up to me before I pass judgement" in a joking way.
15. Mark it up in your notes when they flake. Then if you aren't still talking to her, follow up in a month or few weeks later. Once I went through my phone and called girls from 1 year previous who had flake while I was driving 3 hours. Out of 19 girls, one of them was super excited and we hung out the next week and I immediately duked her. New kill.
16. Seeding. This is key even if you don't do the actual thing you talked about.
17. I found good results when I do it fake spur of the moment day2's. I used to schedule girls, like ok, let's meet up tues (cause I'm actually mega busy) then they'd fake. Now I try the Tues call them up at 6pm, and say "whatcha doing right now?" then say perfect, you can tag along w/ me to ____ works much better for these young ones. It's fake in that I put it in my calendar, then I called up 3 bs.
18. If you can insta date them to meet your hot friends and cool ones even better. She will report back to the group that you have hot friends that she'll setup w/ her friends.
19. Depends on how you frame the day2 also - I try to be mysterious, if I can get away with it I won't tell them what we are doing , a surprise but I'll give them hints.
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I still get more flakes than I’d like to, but it’s much less than my starting out 100% flake rate. so I try not to get too hung up after number closing a girl, even when there's a girl I know it was real solid, I'll still get a flake, then sometimes when I was in a rush and only had 5min we'll actually hang out! It's a gamble so I never think of who I'm day2 ing.
Instead I will call all the girls I met the previous week and try to day2 all of them, sometimes on my sat day2's I'll schedule 2 of them to meet me, hoping one will flake. Then I'll contact them and reverse flake on them, canceling last minute.
✟ I'm always trying to find more day2 options, what do you do for day's?
✟ What have you done to decrease your flakes?
✟ How do they flake?
✟ How do you tell them about the day2?
I hope some of this is helpful, and please share anythings you have done to decrease your flakes.