After sending a post on this subject I have been banned from Roosh V. After finding this guy and MTGTOW I have become very enlightened about game and my place in it. MTGTOW is a growing trend which I am sure many of the guys on this forum identify with, I am keen to hear other guys views.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
"Ray Gordon and MTGTOW"
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Mike32ct
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A lot of guys preach "Focus on yourself. Don't worry about women." I agree with this.
But they will also say that they are not MGTOWs lol.
But they will also say that they are not MGTOWs lol.
Ray Gordon's still shilling stuff? Last I heard of him he was trolling ASF in the late 1990s trying to sell "Outfoxing the Foxes," his self-published (and self-printed) get-laid book.
And why does it seem that the majority of the MRA etc guys are British?
And why does it seem that the majority of the MRA etc guys are British?
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MGTOW is a mind-set not an action-set. Meaning, you might live your life on your own principles in your mind, but doesn't mean you have to live a life free of women. Going your own way means not supplicating to other people bull****. It means following your dreams, doing what it takes to make yourself complete, but it doesn't mean you need to be an ******* and walk all over everyone. You can go your own way and also have people follow you. That's the heart of MGTOW, but it will be LOST to 90% of people who come across it.
It's just as damaging as the feminist crap with "loving yourself for who you are." What a pile of crap...teaching women that they should love themselves for eating too much. How about some balance and change and grow to make you into someone you would follow.
It's just as damaging as the feminist crap with "loving yourself for who you are." What a pile of crap...teaching women that they should love themselves for eating too much. How about some balance and change and grow to make you into someone you would follow.
Atom Smasher
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He actually joined here about a year ago and was posting for a few months until he got himself banned.Zarky said:
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
But honestly, if you haven't learned that by the time you're in your late teens, you're WAY behind the curve. If you're an adult and you're still getting pushed around, especially by women, you should really have a word with your parents about how they let you down by not teaching you the proper life skills.Christopher Philip said: