Pure desire Versus pure manipulation

[Reykhel]

Pure desire for me is when the baby is under no obligation to reciprocate her 'love' or whatever and
it's coming from a natural place...

In my opinion this usually comes when you've displayed DJ qualities and you have made yourself the
prize (ie you've kept frame)

that said, how fleeting are relationships...

I was out tonight at a friend's friends birthday and between a few guys we were talking (briefly) of women....I asked a guy (I know him too, good looking guy, good job) you married bro? "seperated" was his answer. so much high divorce, so much high breakups....

I was at a club and it got me thinking.....what if you did want to settle down in this day and age...is it possible (if I believed in marriage...I would have little faith)

But what if you did want to keep your girl?

can you do it with pure desire? I don't think it's possible over the long haul...

pure calculated manipulation on the other hand.....

every girl that was every hooked on me....was because I didn't care (but genuinely didn't care). all the girls I lost... I probably cared too much...

what if that was to be calculated all of the time. I don't mean just a not care attitude but a machievelian calculated plot.....forget your own interest level wheter she's a ten or not. Plot, scheme, hatch....

women do it all the time. they are experts in game.

One ltr was hooked on me....because I was a bastard. but it's not natural to be the jerk all of the time.....but in calculated doses. I wasn't in love with this ltr and she was a great girl. But I used to play the nice guy turned jerk to great affect....but it wasn't a game. I've done good in my life....I ran an ultra marathon and raised over 10,000 for cancer research for example...but I've always had a nasty streak...I pissed on this ex drunk at christmas for example.....and she wanted to have my children....

a more recent one admitted she was hooked on the roller coaster that I was giving her.....again it was not calculated....

but what if it was? what if it needs to be? always?

dread games are the only games for long term?

 

[Poon King]

I like this post. Not because I agree with it, but because it gives men something to think about.

Wanting to "keep" a woman is the first step to beta submission which ultimately leads to beta slavery (marriage). And the desire to keep a woman comes from the following factors:

1. Man is dumb enough to believe women = happiness
2. Man lacks confidence in his ability to attract new women or get sex from new women
3. Man is lazy and doesn't want to "hunt" so he submits to one woman to have "sex on tap".

The vast majority of men are in the #1 category. And they can't get the Disney fairy tale out of their heads. Because they are pathetic, co-dependent, white knight losers.

In 2015 you win the game by not playing it. What does this mean? It means you live by your values and on your terms at all times. Any woman you date will either have to come along for the ride or be left behind. But no changing your life course to make a woman happy out of fear you will lose her.

The only way for a man to REALLY have a happy long-term relationship is to be with a woman who submits to him and respects him consistently. Provided you STAY a woman's best option, she will never leave you. But that is retarded life goal to have (to be one woman's best option).

Remember that women expire like milk over time. They get old, fat and ugly. Do you really want to keep ONE woman for life? I really don't see the point at all.