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Prenuptial and cohabitation/binding agreements should be compulsory

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Ref: Do women only love you for what you can do for them?

I totally get the cave person youth, provisioning dynamic, but so what. We are not just base animals, we should by now have a sense of right and wrong. Most of us don’t go around clubbing people to death because we don’t like them. There are laws to stop this. We do have reason, and some type of concept of equity.

Although I’ll admit I don’t see much of either in some divorce courts.

But let’s take my $30 million “sweetheart”. It was obvious that she was out to get the guy’s money from the start. The moment she showed me the large diamond ring on her finger I knew the guy was doomed. It was only a matter of time.

The real point is intent.

My sexy “friend” knew exactly what she was doing. She was going to marry the guy, hang around for a few years, divorce him and come away with a lot of money. That was her intent.

Outside marriage in any other undertaking such intent is fraud/theft. Because of intent this is nothing but robbery, straight out theft.

Society entirely accepts this type of (mostly) female fraud.

There is absolutely nothing illegal about marrying a guy with the intent to rip off his money in a few years.

Which brings me to the divorce industry.

The divorce industry is big business, worth billions in legal billing every year.

The marriage-divorce industry is strongly supported by society, with government and religion pushing people towards marriage, and a protected legal system crunching money out of people when it ends badly in 50% of cases.

If society wanted to prevent this fraud commonly perpetrated by women against men to access their resources then it needs to do one thing and one thing only.

Society should make prenuptial and cohabitation/binding agreements compulsory.

Let’s end the rip off, and let the deal be done at the start.

Society has many types of financial laws to protect people from fraud, including compliance, statements of advice, and disclosure requirements.

It has these laws in place to protect people commonly from themselves.

It is not sufficient that the prenuptial option simply exists as a choice.

Society does nothing to prevent or reduce what amounts to marriage or cohabitation fraud.

If the Manosphere wants to achieve anything useful then it should be pushing for compulsory marriage and cohabitation/binding agreements via a change in government policies.

Just this change alone would go a long way to destroying a big part of the legal billing in divorce courts.

Why are many governments allowing the continuance of a system that takes billions off already stressed and broken families every year?

To be binding prenups must have independent legal advice for both parties to demonstrate understanding before signing. Then they will generally stand up in court - However, consult your lawyer first for independent legal advice on your specific situation and local laws.

Taking the money side out of divorce proceedings would leave mostly just child issues to be dealt with and also save millions for governments in court provision costs.

But watch the divorce industry and feminists bleat!
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Well, it will be mandatory if I ever remarry..... OR she can go back to where she came from
 

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A few years ago the Mexican govt. was discussing an idea to treat marriages as contracts. Before you entered into marriage, you would basically define the terms/length of contract. 2yrs was the minimum. After 2yrs or whatever time period you set, the marriage would end on the terms set within the contract. Makes good sense to me. Women are very impulsive by nature and this will give them something to think about before they misbehave. Need something to reign them in and I think this could do it.

I wouldn't ever marry somebody that didn't agree to a prenup. I'm at a point in life where I don't care to start over financially and lose half my value to some entitled and disgruntled female that has the law on her side.
 

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One of the elements of a valid contract is that it was entered into by free choice, and not coerced.

The vast majority of people getting married have almost no assets. In those cases, a prenup is irrelevant.
 

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I agree, after recently getting a divorce and being made to bankroll my wife to continue having a relationship with the man she was seeing before she ever asked for a divorce, I understand completely. The assets, the 401K, and the child support (I agree 100% with supporting my children, but I can not control what she spends the money on. Which is herself, her nails, her hair, her clothes etc..). They should at least force men about to get married to take a class regarding how divorce can affect them, and have recently divorce men come and give a speeches so that they will scream at the guys wanting to wed like a baptist preacher preaches about hellfire and brimstone if one sins... just to get the point across that they will eventually get, you know, completely screwed by the woman.
 

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countermart said:
Ref: Do women only love you for what you can do for them?
I think that could be said about every living entity on this planet. To think women are any different shows a grand delusion.

I totally get the cave person youth, provisioning dynamic, but so what. We are not just base animals, we should by now have a sense of right and wrong.
Any time someone believes that something "should" happen in such-and-such way when it clearly doesn't, I think that person is pretty deluded.

Most of us don’t go around clubbing people to death because we don’t like them. There are laws to stop this. We do have reason, and some type of concept of equity.
I might suggest that refraining from killing people is less about "logic" and more about fear of punishment.

Although I’ll admit I don’t see much of either in some divorce courts.
.... or any court, for that matter. I any human endeavor, for that matter.

But watch the divorce industry and feminists bleat!
What do you care? Simply avoid marriage and you won't have to worry about it. I agree with you that marriage is **** for men. I simply won't engage in it. Problem solved.

Reminds of some comedy I saw years ago... a takeoff on James Bond I think?

The villain has locked the hero in a sealed chamber and says, "I've locked you in there with a poison sandwich MUAHAHAAHAHA!!!" The hero replies, "Well I just won't eat the sandwich then!" The villain thinks about it and shouts in anger "Curses!!!"
 

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It would be wise for a man to go in all things considered rather then eyes wide shut. Most guys, however, take the latter option and a bit messed up when things end in tears.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
The exact opposite is true. prenups protect future earnings. poor people need to keep as much of their future earnings as possible.
I disagree. Prenups protect the assets you carry into the marriage. If you own a business that the wife never touches, and set it aside in a valid prenup, it is technically possible to protect future earnings, but that's very rare.

For two normal people with jobs, every pay check is joint marital property. There is no setting aside typical wages from a job. You can write that into a prenup, but no judge is going enforce it.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
One of the elements of a valid contract is that it was entered into by free choice, and not coerced.

The vast majority of people getting married have almost no assets. In those cases, a prenup is irrelevant.

I disagree. Prenups protect the assets you carry into the marriage. If you own a business that the wife never touches, and set it aside in a valid prenup, it is technically possible to protect future earnings, but that's very rare.

For two normal people with jobs, every pay check is joint marital property. There is no setting aside typical wages from a job. You can write that into a prenup, but no judge is going enforce it.
I agree with both of these posts by Bible Belt.

People choose to enter into marriage. Prenups protect previously earned assets. If you want to live separately, don't get married. I know an atheist couple (therefore anti-marriage) who consider themselves 'life partners'. I'm sure there are some common law BS rules out there, but by and large they are two independent people who live together, f*ck and do things together. I'm sure if they ever split, they'd just go their separate ways.

Bottom line, if you get married and have kids, you're going all in. You have to realize that before you do it.
 
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