"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Possibly another shot @ a year's worth of friend??? Assistance needed!

j8snx1

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Okay guys, here's the scoop. This friday is my school's ice skating night event, and I plan to meet one HB8 there. We've been friends for a year. I've tried to get with her during my lousy AFC days...damn it!...and it didn't fly too well. I relied on my buddies to help me out, but that was a grave mistake. Lesson well learned.

Anyway, every time I get to meet HB8 these days, I use C&F and HB8 laughs at it most of the time, has fun; I use Kino through hugging, putting arms around shoulder, rubbing shoulder/arm after poking fun for a bit, etc etc. But I remember from last year, and others said she wasnt looking for a relationship at the moment(probably because all the guys hitting on her were AFC? Or are there other reasons why a girl wouldnt seek relationships during High School...?).

Honestly, I dont give a crap what others said, and I want to use the ice skating night as the opportunity to take things a step further with HB8, like Kino during the skating, and humor to make skating fun. At this point, Im not too sure where I stand with her relationship-wise. In addition, Im not clear on her level of interest for me, even though I've used C&F, Kino for a while. EC is no biggie, but when it comes to Kino for example, she doesnt return it too often except for hugs.

How should I approach this opportunity and make it count in order to take things to the next level past the friends area with HB8? Considering the circumstances, would I offend her if I do something big like a kiss close or something?

Suggestions DJ's???
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Don't ever meet a girl thinking relationship. You'll only hurt yourself and trust me, it will show.

Go out and have a blast together. Show her the best time of her life out there without telling her your feelings or any of that crap they do in the movies.

Yes, you should try to kiss close her. Here is a great technique I use. Place your hand near her heart. See if its beating fast. If it is, she's nervous. She likes you. Shes not nervous because she doesnt want to get kissed, shes nervous because she doesnt know when to expect it.

Trust me, this works. I had an alpha girl pull this on me a few years ago when I was learning. Needless to say she ended up kissing me after she said my heart was beating fast. To this day we still talk, and she said thats always a safe move.
 

j8snx1

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hahahaha eccentric! good idea...but how do I try to feel the heartbeat without looking like a molestor and have her run off thinking I'm a pervert? (not being a pessimist. it's a great idea, but in ur case the girl was the alpha) It may be different if the guy

A better question: Where should I place my hand exactly to feel her heartbeat? It would be sort of difficult to find it I presume, but touching the girl is no problemo.

LOL I'd like to give this a try, but I have a hard time finding my own heartbeat on my chest heh heh.
 

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Trust me, you'll find it.

When you're skating with her, put your arms around her waist and skate with her in stride. Then you can rest your hands around her waist for a bit and you can be able to tell.

Although it much easier if you're spooning on the couch watching TV.

If you really want to send her into over drive, try this...

When your skating with her, with your arms around her waist, hold her hands, rest your head on her shoulder. Whisper into her ear, nothing cliche though! You could even use this as your gateway to kiss her.

Chicks love this ****.
 
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