Nothing wrong with being a nice guy

[War Against Betaism]

Women love it when people doing nice things. Doing nice and thoughful things are traits everyone looks for in their friends and mates. However, being an AFC and doing nice things are normally referred to as being the same thing, and this causes people to think that doing nice things is detrimental to their image.

A real nice guy picks up trash and throws it away because it's the right thing to do. An AFC does it because he thinks karma will reward him later on.

A real nice guy opens the door for other people because he's thoughful. An AFC does it because he doesn't want to be scolded.

A real nice guy pays for dinner because he wants to reward the person he is with for a delightful night. An AFC does it because he wants to impress the other person.

There are a myriad of different examples out there but I think I got my point across. Doing nice things aren't a bad thing, but they start becoming a bad thing when you start doing them not because you want to, but because of external factors on the outside world.

 

[War Against Betaism]

The title should have been "Nothing wrong with doing nice things for women."

 

[Captain]

True words.

When we say "nice guy" here, we normally mean AFC. If you've seen Rebel Without A Cause, you'll see that James Dean's character is nice, but he won't let anyone tell him what to do.

Same thing with "bad boys". There's a difference between a man who does what he wants, and a man who hits his girlfriend, and tells her he loves her when she says she's leaving.

 

[Evzone]

Agreed, absolutely.

There is a clear and bright difference between being gentlemanly and being a pushover. Tough guys finish first, but of course tough and nice are not mutually exclusive.

"Nice" in the manner that we should behave means ethical and just, not submissive and passive.

 

[Desert Fox]

True. The most common mistake AFCs make is take all their hatred from their failures and go to the opposite extreme (the jerk).

I made that mistake, now I'm more in the middle where I joke around, not even C&F. Mostly just the F part and and I don't take things too seriously. I help people out if I know they are good people and good to their word and will help me out in the future. If people are ****s to me, of course I will not take them seriously and just screw with them, but nice people and people who put their faith in your should be rewarded.

 

[The Bat]

Right, it's the intent that defines whether you are a genuine nice guy or an AFC.

A DJ is essentially a genuine nice guy with balls.

 

[Daydream Engineer]

Right, it's the intent that defines whether you are a genuine nice guy or an AFC.

A DJ is essentially a genuine nice guy with balls.

Thats the secret tight there.... do it because you want to.... not because you want to impress or you feel like your going to be rewarded in the future haha

 

[f283000]

nothing wrong with being a nice guy....WITH AN EDGE!

being a nice guy and doing nice things will not get you attention from desirable women. You can do all those nice things that war against betaism talks about and the only friend you will be left with at the end of the day is your hand, while you wonder how the jerk in class that doesn't do S____ for nobody pulls all the women.

A real nice guy pays for dinner because he wants to reward the person he is with for a delightful night. An AFC does it because he wants to impress the other person.

This sounds nice and rosy unfortunately it isn't true because women don't know the difference. You really think women say to themselves "he is just rewarding me for my company by paying for my dinner" are you serious?? she knows you want to ___ her brains out don't fool yourself. When you pay for a woman's dinner you are putting her on a pedestal and giving her the power. You should never pay for a woman's dinner it is always half and half that is the way of an alpha male.

I highly disapprove of this this thread and the advice given by the OP. DOING NICE THINGS DOES NOT MAKE YOU ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN. Who do you think the hb 9's at the club will find more attractive? you telling them you help out at the homeless shelter? or the guy that tells them of the crazy party he was at last saturday? who sounds more fun and edgier?

i'm not saying don't do nice things, just realize that women today are different from those in the past. All women today care about is excitement, they want is a guy that can give them excitement. Doing sports, being an active guy that does exciting activities will make you attractive to women. Opening doors for people and picking up trash will not, but it will sure make you "friend quality," but not "boyfriend" quality.

 

[War Against Betaism]

nothing wrong with being a nice guy....WITH AN EDGE!

being a nice guy and doing nice things will not get you attention from desirable women. You can do all those nice things that war against betaism talks about and the only friend you will be left with at the end of the day is your hand, while you wonder how the jerk in class that doesn't do S____ for nobody pulls all the women.

This sounds nice and rosy unfortunately it isn't true because women don't know the difference. You really think women say to themselves "he is just rewarding me for my company by paying for my dinner" are you serious?? she knows you want to ___ her brains out don't fool yourself. When you pay for a woman's dinner you are putting her on a pedestal and giving her the power. You should never pay for a woman's dinner it is always half and half that is the way of an alpha male.

I highly disapprove of this this thread and the advice given by the OP. DOING NICE THINGS DOES NOT MAKE YOU ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN. Who do you think the hb 9's at the club will find more attractive? you telling them you help out at the homeless shelter? or the guy that tells them of the crazy party he was at last saturday? who sounds more fun and edgier?

i'm not saying don't do nice things, just realize that women today are different from those in the past. All women today care about is excitement, they want is a guy that can give them excitement. Doing sports, being an active guy that does exciting activities will make you attractive to women. Opening doors for people and picking up trash will not, but it will sure make you "friend quality," but not "boyfriend" quality.

You completely missed the point of my topic, it'd be nice if you properly re-read this thread again and respond with a post that sounds like you know what you're talking about.

 

[Daydream Engineer]

Doing beneficial things for others open doors.... and women love guys who do nice things like tutoring, volunteering at soup kitchens make you attractive... but as long as you do it not for the validation... but for yourself. The most successful people in the world do nice things, like sponsoring scholarships and volunteering their time at charitable events.

 

[Willis]

Being Nice Never Helped Me....
Being An ******* Has...

 

[Waking Up]

I agree with this topic. When I act like an *******, I just feel ****ty about myself. I just feel worse like it's not who I am. When I'm genuine nice, I feel better. I guess that means I don't do it for validation then, I just am nice because I like being nice and it makes me feel good to make others feel good. There's a big difference. But I also stand up for myself in arguments, etc.

 

[joedmango]

I definitely agree. There is definitely nothing wrong with being a nice person. Be one of us! haha!

 

[War Against Betaism]

I'd like to reconfirm that I'm not arguing the differences between a jerk and being nice. I don't really go by these labels of AFC, jerk, etc. but moreso making the point that if you're going to do something, make sure it's what you want to do. I think by acting according to a certain label really defeats the purpose of acting according to what you want personally.