Not getting any further than phone numbers, what am I doing wrong?

[Guitar_Whizz]

I'm a bit disillusioned at the minute! Well ok, let me be positive and say that I can do approaches, talk to girls, and get numbers pretty much no problem as long as I'm 'in the zone'. What I'm down about is that it seems difficult to turn a number into a date, or to even talk to the girl on the phone (answerphones, no answer, switched off, or her just not answering etc....). I'm also tired of the way girls treat me when I call. For example, putting the phone down, making excuses, and being rude and flaky! Why can't they just say 'Sorry I'm not interested'....it'd be so much easier!

I guess a lot of it lies in '********'. Girls speak in 'code' - they say one thing, but mean another, eg 'I don't want a relationship right now' REALLY means 'I don't want a relationship with you'. And I guess all these flaky behaviours are actions telling us they're not interested.

So what am I doing wrong? David DeAngelo puts it down to this - if you can generate attraction in her, she'll be into you. If you cannot, she'll flake, be rude etc.

I personally think it's partly the type of girl too. Some are friendlier than others, so you can't say it's all your fault if she's not into you.


Do you think I should be talking longer to the girls and therefore generating more attraction before I number close? Also, maybe I ought to be trying for kisses the same day I meet them, rather than number closes. Or maybe number closes AFTER kissing, that way I know they're interested. I could try getting them to come for a drink/coffee/lunch shortly after meeting them in the street, therefore it's a date without waiting and the phone call first.

Any thoughts?

 

[Smooth Player 056]

I suggest using David DeAngelo's tactic: instead of getting her phone number, get her email address.

 

[Interpol]

Originally posted by Smooth Player 056
I suggest using David DeAngelo's tactic: instead of getting her phone number, get her email address.

I can't possibly see how this is going to help you out.

It doesn't matter if you ask for her phone number, e-mail, fax number, home address, screenname, whatever....You need to build attraction to the point that this girl can't fvcking wait to see you again.

How long do you spend talking to these girls before you ask for their number?

 

[StringShredder]

If a girl says "I don't want a relationship right now" it means that you did something stupid, namely behave as if you want a relationship. The real ******** translation is "I don't want a relationship with a guy who is desperate to be in one".

Here's a comeback: "You don't? Phew! That's a relief, because I'm all out of relationships right now, and I'd hate to not be able to give a woman something she desperately craves."

 

[Cheat_LBJ]

Originally posted by StringShredder
If a girl says "I don't want a relationship right now" it means that you did something stupid, namely behave as if you want a relationship. The real ******** translation is "I don't want a relationship with a guy who is desperate to be in one".

The key principle to remember is that women who are interested will always "make time" to see you and be with you. She might be juggling fifty different things in her life, but if she's truly digging on you and is attracted, she will work with you to find a time to do things.

So...if a woman says "I don't want a relationship right now," that is a bright-flashing indicator that she is not into you, because she is not willing to make time for you.

No comebacks needed...shake your head, learn something, and move on.

 

[quest]

you know exactly what needs to be done.

lose the "unless i'm in the zone" demeanour.

you can get girls at any time.

where are you meeting these girls? lots of places can off as creepy.

how long are you talking to them?

-i'm not so sure about street sarging as such, i'm strictly club/party sarging, but 95% of the time i kiss close, then number close.

i find the more kissing i do, the less chance of flake out.

but it'd be socially awkward to meet a girl in a park, talk for 10 minutes, and kiss close.

its very rare i get flake outs anymore.

lately (the last month or so) i've had the midas touch no flake outs and all the girls have been a little extra into me then normal.

i put this down to two things. being a part of Club Alpha (see GGTW) has been made me try a little harder in my approaches/dates. and time spent in the gym i'm feeling that touch more confident because i look that touch better.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

Usually I meet girls in the street, bars, shops etc. I have been opening with casual comments such as 'do you knowe if there are any good bars round here?'.

I've found that if I spoke lomger to the girls, I got less flakiness on the phone etc. Maybe I'm number closing too quick.

I also thought of trying text messaging. Think about it....if I ring a girl, you can't tell if she's avoiding you or not if there's no answer, but if I send a text I will know she's got it, therefore if she doesn't reply I'll know she's definitely not interested.

I don't understand the comment about it being creepy meeting girls in certain places. I've found ANYTIME, ANYPLACE can work, as long as your approach is ok.

 

[quest]

Originally posted by Guitar_Whizz
I don't understand the comment about it being creepy meeting girls in certain places. I've found ANYTIME, ANYPLACE can work, as long as your approach is ok.

try hiding in a public females toilet and using this opener "would you like a roofie ****tail?"

that would be a creepy approach.