My thoughts on women/dating lately...

[HankHill]

So my last LTR ended just at the beginning of the COVID19 spread in the US. That's another story for another day. However, since then I've had a lot of time for thoughts and ponderings on various things. I figured I might as well post a few of them here and see what others think:

We all knew that social media is a female playground for free validation etc. I don't participate there. However, as of late, I've noticed the news coverage and the mass media is now overrun/controlled by majority women. Almost all major news that make the headlines their authors are usually women. This to me is HUGE because the media has the power to brainwash anyone. We've literally put women in the driver's seat of the future society. Oh and with the riots etc I noticed many mayors, sheriff's etc are also women.

The use of labels to describe a person is getting ridiculous these days, there's a label for everything. Men do it too but women in particular. Probably the most overused labels these days are narcissist and emotional abuse. Labels work in such a way that in an instant you absolve yourself of any responsibility. For example everyone has narcissistic traits (self worth, values, fighting back etc) given the situation but that doesn't make them a compulsive NPD.

The male thirst is getting worse even men who look like tough dudes are simping and validating women all the time. Is this because of the male-to-female ratio as per another thread someone started here?

Oh yeah, the gangbang porn, it used to be 3 women and 1 guy but now it's 5+ dudes serving one woman, WTF? I sort of get why? using her as a piece of meat or some primal hunt fantasy etc but this is portraying men as simps and women are now having fantasies of these types of orgies in real life. Another example of women becoming/acting more like men.

Women complaining not being able to find a good guy. Yet I see tons of decent men out there who would be happy to find a gf and stick with her. This confirms that these women go for the 'fun' or 'bad boy' or 'alpha' types, then get pumped and dumped.

Beta shaming men (similar to sl*t shaming women) is also on the rise. Men do it to make themselves sound superior (which actually hurts the male population as overall) but women now do it anytime they don't like something a guy does. Two, it's funny they're all seeking 'alphas' now but they also want him to be sensitive and loyal. Their definition of alpha is different than most men's but nonetheless, they all want an alpha nevermind she doesn't have much to offer herself.

After a certain age what's left in the dating pool is mostly post-wall unfit women, the party types or women with long checklists and attitude. I'm sure there are exceptions but it's what I'm noticing right now as I've just dipped my toes back into OLD.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

So my last LTR ended just at the beginning of the COVID19 spread in the US. That's another story for another day. However, since then I've had a lot of time for thoughts and ponderings on various things. I figured I might as well post a few of them here and see what others think:

We all knew that social media is a female playground for free validation etc. I don't participate there. However, as of late, I've noticed the news coverage and the mass media is now overrun/controlled by majority women. Almost all major news that make the headlines their authors are usually women. This to me is HUGE because the media has the power to brainwash anyone. We've literally put women in the driver's seat of the future society. Oh and with the riots etc I noticed many mayors, sheriff's etc are also women.

The use of labels to describe a person is getting ridiculous these days, there's a label for everything. Men do it too but women in particular. Probably the most overused labels these days are narcissist and emotional abuse. Labels work in such a way that in an instant you absolve yourself of any responsibility. For example everyone has narcissistic traits (self worth, values, fighting back etc) given the situation but that doesn't make them a compulsive NPD.

The male thirst is getting worse even men who look like tough dudes are simping and validating women all the time. Is this because of the male-to-female ratio as per another thread someone started here?

Oh yeah, the gangbang porn, it used to be 3 women and 1 guy but now it's 5+ dudes serving one woman, WTF? I sort of get why? using her as a piece of meat or some primal hunt fantasy etc but this is portraying men as simps and women are now having fantasies of these types of orgies in real life. Another example of women becoming/acting more like men.

Women complaining not being able to find a good guy. Yet I see tons of decent men out there who would be happy to find a gf and stick with her. This confirms that these women go for the 'fun' or 'bad boy' or 'alpha' types, then get pumped and dumped.

Beta shaming men (similar to sl*t shaming women) is also on the rise. Men do it to make themselves sound superior (which actually hurts the male population as overall) but women now do it anytime they don't like something a guy does. Two, it's funny they're all seeking 'alphas' now but they also want him to be sensitive and loyal. Their definition of alpha is different than most men's but nonetheless, they all want an alpha nevermind she doesn't have much to offer herself.

After a certain age what's left in the dating pool is mostly post-wall unfit women, the party types or women with long checklists and attitude. I'm sure there are exceptions but it's what I'm noticing right now as I've just dipped my toes back into OLD.

The "Gangbang" viewpoint is likely to condition males to see that image like there is a huge shorteage of women, which is absolutely not true. Some environments they have literally taken over.

 

[SW15]

Good thoughts. Lots of truth. I'll add commentary below.

We all knew that social media is a female playground for free validation etc. I don't participate there. However, as of late, I've noticed the news coverage and the mass media is now overrun/controlled by majority women. Almost all major news that make the headlines their authors are usually women. This to me is HUGE because the media has the power to brainwash anyone. We've literally put women in the driver's seat of the future society. Oh and with the riots etc I noticed many mayors, sheriff's etc are also women.

Social media is designed more for feminine needs than for masculine needs. That's why you see greater female participation there.

I have a theory about some of the TV news media and why you're seeing women gain power there.

One of the big trends in the media industry since 1990 is fragmentation of audiences. In the first 3 decades of TV, there was CBS, ABC, and NBC on the national level, and their local affiliates. There were good size audiences. Starting in the late 1970s/early 1980s, cable/satellite TV entered the media landscape, and a bunch of cable networks were born from the late 1970s until the early 1990s. Even more cable networks have launched since the early 1990s. The presence of cable/satellite networks reduced the viewing audience for any one particular TV network. Then, the internet came around the 1990s, but didn't really take off until post 2000 when broadband penetration got substantial, making spending time on the internet better due to fast page load times. Then smartphones and apps in the late 2000s. The point of audience fragmentation means that each individual media outlet gets less eyeballs. When each media outlet gets less eyeballs, the media outlet can't monetize their content via advertising as easily. Staff pay is reduced. Men don't want to do a lot of the lower paying media jobs because their SMV is lower with a lower paying job. Since women's employment is not relevant to her SMV, she can take a lower paying media job and use her hypergamy to get a guy in a higher paying occupation. HuffPo and Buzzfeed are not well paying jobs. In TV news, which is dying, it is easier for a woman right out of college to take a low paying reporter or anchor job in a smaller market than it is for a man to do that.

In the white collar, non-media working space, there is immense corporate pressure to hire women and to promote diversity candidates, which are women and non-white males. White males are considered dog poo in a lot of corporate environments and are more prone to getting laid off or not even getting hired. James D'Amore made that exact point about Google's hiring practices a few years ago, so this is not some wild alt right conspiracy theory.

The male thirst is getting worse even men who look like tough dudes are simping and validating women all the time. Is this because of the male-to-female ratio as per another thread someone started here?

Male thirst is at epidemic/pandemic levels. The single male to single female ratios are not good in the 18-39 age cohorts. There are numerous causes for this.

Oh yeah, the gangbang porn, it used to be 3 women and 1 guy but now it's 5+ dudes serving one woman, WTF? I sort of get why? using her as a piece of meat or some primal hunt fantasy etc but this is portraying men as simps and women are now having fantasies of these types of orgies in real life. Another example of women becoming/acting more like men.

Porn is bad for men and should be avoided. The dopamine hit it causes is so natural. Men should not be associating sexual stimulation with sitting in front of a screen and stroking. Orgasms should only be had through real life sex. That's why pickup is so important. Porn and mbate is reducing male desire for real life and causing performance issues. But why are men turning to porn? It's because of the bad ratios out there. So many men are being cast aside in the sexual marketplace and have no place to turn. They seek respite from their rejections in porn.

Women complaining not being able to find a good guy. Yet I see tons of decent men out there who would be happy to find a gf and stick with her. This confirms that these women go for the 'fun' or 'bad boy' or 'alpha' types, then get pumped and dumped.

Nothing to add. This is perfect. Female hypergamy and delusions about their market value.

After a certain age what's left in the dating pool is mostly post-wall unfit women, the party types or women with long checklists and attitude. I'm sure there are exceptions but it's what I'm noticing right now as I've just dipped my toes back into OLD.

Yes. OLD is the worst of the worst. If you can, try to design your life to do pickup through in-person means. It'd be ideal if you had a social circle to find options, but you're still better off meeting women via cold approach. You get the worst prospects and worst attitudes via online dating/apps.

 

[corrector]

I plan to watch Bombshell, 2019. The media has nice eye candy, who does not want to see a hot lady doing the news rather than guys? I have given up on OLD for similar reasons and feel it cant work if you respect yourself and have reasonable standards.

 

[HankHill]

Regarding OLD there are not too many other options honestly. At 45 I'm well past the bar game (even when I was younger, I never really cared for it or the women that regularly hang out at bars). I don't date at work, friends are mostly busy with their lives/families so I don't have friends to go to the random mall etc with like I used to before, so that leaves what the grocery store/gas station? lol I have yet to happen upon a woman at the grocery store who looked great, was single or showed interest in saying anything. My last two LTRs were from OLD so it can work, it's getting harder and requires a lot more patience.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

Regarding OLD there are not too many other options honestly. At 45 I'm well past the bar game (even when I was younger, I never really cared for it or the women that regularly hang out at bars). I don't date at work, friends are mostly busy with their lives/families so I don't have friends to go to the random mall etc with like I used to before, so that leaves what the grocery store/gas station? lol I have yet to happen upon a woman at the grocery store who looked great, was single or showed interest in saying anything. My last two LTRs were from OLD so it can work, it's getting harder and requires a lot more patience.

take a part time gig as a sample hander-outer in the big warehouse store or just inside the grocery store.
Great way to practice opening women, demonstrating high value(selling whatever bit of food sample) then segueing into dhv for yourself, lol. Plenty of opportunity to turn the bite she takes into a sensual comment(sensual, not sexual), plenty of opportunity to numberclose using the false excuse of calling her when her favourite flavour comes available or whatever.

 

[corrector]

Regarding OLD there are not too many other options honestly. At 45 I'm well past the bar game (even when I was younger, I never really cared for it or the women that regularly hang out at bars). I don't date at work, friends are mostly busy with their lives/families so I don't have friends to go to the random mall etc with like I used to before, so that leaves what the grocery store/gas station? lol I have yet to happen upon a woman at the grocery store who looked great, was single or showed interest in saying anything. My last two LTRs were from OLD so it can work, it's getting harder and requires a lot more patience.

Then you have no options and will either be a simp or incel if you stick to OLD. You just end up with honeymoon relationships because the lady can just hop to another guy once she gets bored with you or gets an out. These types dont tend to fight for.relationships if they know they can replace you at the drop of a hat.

 

[SW15]

Then you have no options and will either be a simp or incel if you stick to OLD. You just end up with honeymoon relationships because the lady can just hop to another guy once she gets bored with you or gets an out. These types dont tend to fight for.relationships if they know they can replace you at the drop of a hat.

The app environment is bad. You're exactly right that women don't invest in building any relationships. Why should she? She's got a ton of options sitting in her inbox or match queue. Good luck even getting a 2nd or 3rd date, let alone a relationship. If a woman doesn't feel a 1st date is completely magical with rainbows and butterflies, she doesn't bother for a 2nd date. Whereas, if a woman was cut off from the app environment, she would be more reasonable in letting things development because she had fewer options.

My mom got re-married recently. My mom is in her 60s and was using the old people oriented websites like Match and OurTime 3-4 years ago. Her inbox was flooded as a woman in her early 60s by thirsty old men. She was barely generating interest in person.

Regarding OLD there are not too many other options honestly. At 45 I'm well past the bar game (even when I was younger, I never really cared for it or the women that regularly hang out at bars). I don't date at work, friends are mostly busy with their lives/families so I don't have friends to go to the random mall etc with like I used to before, so that leaves what the grocery store/gas station? lol I have yet to happen upon a woman at the grocery store who looked great, was single or showed interest in saying anything. My last two LTRs were from OLD so it can work, it's getting harder and requires a lot more patience.

The way you feel about lacking options at your age is normal.

Usually by age 30, most social circles are centered around couples and as one's 30s progress, they tend mostly become about the small children. A 30s/40s single and unattached guy isn't going to fit into most social circles. Most of these men are going to lone wolves.

Most of day game is done alone, which is ideal for 30s/40s men, who usually don't have access to a lot of friends if they've moved around a few times over the course of their life. Grocery store approaching, coffee shop approaching, mall/retail store approaching, street/walking/hiking path approaching, gym approaching, and approaching women in other companies within the office building are all viable options.

If you play tennis, join a racquet club/country club. There are so many female tennis players in their 40s at private clubs. It's difficult to pick up women in their 20s/30s via tennis, but women over 40 are usually easier to pick up via tennis at private clubs. Many are divorcees collecting nice alimony checks.

 

[samspade]

If you play tennis, join a racquet club/country club. There are so many female tennis players in their 40s at private clubs. It's difficult to pick up women in their 20s/30s via tennis, but women over 40 are usually easier to pick up via tennis at private clubs. Many are divorcees collecting nice alimony checks.

 

[corrector]

The app environment is bad. You're exactly right that women don't invest in building any relationships. Why should she? She's got a ton of options sitting in her inbox or match queue. Good luck even getting a 2nd or 3rd date, let alone a relationship. If a woman doesn't feel a 1st date is completely magical with rainbows and butterflies, she doesn't bother for a 2nd date. Whereas, if a woman was cut off from the app environment, she would be more reasonable in letting things development because she had fewer options.

My mom got re-married recently. My mom is in her 60s and was using the old people oriented websites like Match and OurTime 3-4 years ago. Her inbox was flooded as a woman in her early 60s by thirsty old men. She was barely generating interest in person.

You've raised some interesting points despite the fact I came at it at an angle of a relationship not working out, but had a fighting chance if both parties worked out their differences. The incentive would not be there if either one had lots of options and you just have false happy relationships with no conflict. A true relationship survives conflicts and its not always la la land.

Your mother however, did get re-married which means she did allow a relationship to develop to the point there was a marriage. That means there was one guy who married her that was lucky with her. There has to be two winners to get that outcome unless she got married to a thirsty dude she choose that doesn't really like her but was desperate. The question I would have is why did she remarry? Was it death or divorce? If it was divorce who initiated it? If it was her, then was it with the understanding she had allot of options and just broke-up at the first conflict?

The way you feel about lacking options at your age is normal.

Usually by age 30, most social circles are centered around couples and as one's 30s progress, they tend mostly become about the small children. A 30s/40s single and unattached guy isn't going to fit into most social circles. Most of these men are going to lone wolves.

Yeah, if you are your forties, and have no children or no wife then you feel like an outsider. It's insulting to me when people ask me this type of question because it feels like they are wanting to know if you are a loser. It's like if you are a single man you are expected to have a child by a certain age otherwise you look queer.

Most of day game is done alone, which is ideal for 30s/40s men, who usually don't have access to a lot of friends if they've moved around a few times over the course of their life. Grocery store approaching, coffee shop approaching, mall/retail store approaching, street/walking/hiking path approaching, gym approaching, and approaching women in other companies within the office building are all viable options.

Yeah, but women can claim you are harassing them or non-verbally reject you if you don't have the looks to generate a smooth interaction. If you have good daygame feedback then you should get some traction online too because that means your looks are great.

 

[Tilex]

Couple things I want to mention about your observation.

Online dating actually peaked in the mid 2000's.
Between AOL, Myspace, Match.com, and OKcupid, there was a plethora of quality women available online.
The market wasn't too saturated back then.

Facebook was the ultimate game changer. The market wasn't the same anymore after it became popular. Online dating really started to go downhill after 2009.

Between Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, social media has become nothing but a validation machine.
The days of meeting quality women online are long gone!

Your gangbang observation is incorrect.
Multiple women with 1 guy gangbang was popular during the Ron Jeremy/Peter North era. That was in the 80's.
In the 90's, gangbanging 1 chick with multiple guys was very popular back then.
I even remember there was a huge competition between two women on the Howard Stern show based on who could handle the most d--k.
It was between Vanessa Del Rio and some blonde chick.

It's funny how you mentioned beta shaming.
I've never heard anyone talk about this in person, but I hear it all the time on Youtube.

 

[SW15]

This was an awesome find! The actress in this was like 25 when this filmed. Picking up 25 year olds via tennis isn't easy. I've played tennis for a good portion of my life. I started to take it seriously in junior high. Being on the tennis team was my primary high school activity. Into my 30s, I've remained a good player who plays regularly.

When you are in your 20s/30s, it's difficult to meet tennis playing women. I've tried at various times at both public and private courts. It's so uncommon to find 2 20s/30s women playing a singles match. Most of the time, women in this age group are playing tennis with their boyfriends. There was an occasion where I was playing a singles match with a friend and there were 4 girls playing a doubles match on the next over (public court). I got the number and set up a date with the best looking and best player of the 4. That's rare though.

When I've played at private facilities, I've noticed a lot of moms, divorcees, and other 40 something women around and playing. I'm thinking from ages 40-55, that's a good time to pick up a middle aged divorcee getting a fat alimony check from her ex.

Despite tennis being a female friendly sport, the majority of players are male. An even bigger percentage of the best players are male.

 

[Lookatu]

It was between Vanessa Del Rio and some blonde chick.

Would that be the Houston 500? LOL

 

[Tilex]

Would that be the Houston 500? LOL

Yup!
That's her