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Mistakes and lessons learned

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1. Not making the first move

Don't ever expect a woman to make the first move. As a man, you have to do it. No matter how much women like to talk about feminism and equality, they are still as passive as a rock when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex. Generally the most a woman will do is smile and act friendly or place herself in close proximity, (passively) hoping for the man to make a move and quickly losing interest if he does not.

2. Giving too much credit to women that don't deserve it

Don't start to "fall in love" with a woman just because she is friendly towards you. Whilst it's nice if somenone is friendly and you should defnitely make a move to find out what the deal is, until she reciprocates (by cooperating) you shouldn't assume that their is any genuine interest on her part and as such, you shouldn't consider her as important or special in any way.

If you fail to follow this advice and start thinking "she's so special, she's so nice etc." then in most cases you are going to be sorely disappointed. She is NOT special if she doesn't like you back.

3. Letting women take advantage

This comes from naivety. Women are very good at manipulating men. They learn it at a young age. So you have to be smart and know what their tricks are in order to avoid getting used. Mainly, you have to avoid doing things for women in the hopes of getting laid (making pre-payments, basically). If a woman has yet proven her worth by being cooperative, you should NOT be doing any favours for her.

4. Waiting too long to make a move

This ties in with the prevous points. You should be the one to make a move and you should do it as soon as possible. Unless you do this, you won't know whether or not the attraction is mutual and this opens you up to manipulation.

Women like to keep men in the grey zone where they are unsure where they stand. They prefer to avoid rejecting men directly in order to keep them on the hook where they can extract attention, money and resources from them.

5. Not knowing whether there is genuine interest

You need to be able to tell the difference between real interest and fake interest. The best indicator of real interest is cooperation. If a girl likes you, she'll go along with whatever you suggest and follow your lead (within reason, of course). If she doesn't, she'll try to use you. If (and only if) she thinks that you're not a person that can be used, she'll reject you directly.

6. Being afraid of rejection

In this respect, getting rejected harshly is actually a compliment. I'll explain: a woman will only reject you directly when you force her into a corner. Women would much rather avoid showing their cards by being vague and keep you on the hook so that they can use you. So you should be proud if a woman rejects you - you forced her to show her hand and reveal the truth. You forced her to be honest, because she realised that there was no way to bull**** you (unlike all of the other suckers).

An ugly reaction is also good in the sense that it shows you what kind of person you're really dealing with. Some women will act nice whilst you're doing favours for them and helping them out, but when it comes down to it they really have zero respect or empathy for anyone else.

Rejection is information, useful information. Rather than something to be avoided it's actually something that you should aim to provoke. You want to filter out the women that are not really interested as quickly as possible.

7. Accepting being "just" friends

The offensive word here isn't "friends." There's nothing wrong with being friends with someone. You could be friends and lovers, for example. The problem is being "just" friends, colleagues, neighbours etc. The rejection is in the word "just", i.e. nothing more than. If a woman is putting limits on your relationship using the word "just", she is saying that she's not interested in anything more.

The fact that it was necessary to say this shows that she knows that you're interested, but she is not. This is not a situation that any man should accept and you should cut ties with this woman, because it is not healthy for your welbeing. You can be friends with women that you don't find attractive (i.e. most of them), but when you're attracted to a women you should make a move and if the feeling is not mutual, you should move on. The quicker you do it, the better to avoid being manipulated and disrespected and to avoid getting emotionally attached.
 

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Good list.

All 7 of these can be avoided/determined by simply asking a chick to join you for a drink. Its either a Yes and she shows up or its a no, regardless of her words. The only other alternative is if she gives you a specific time through a counter offer.

Men can avoid the chasing, over pursuing, being taken advantage of, etc., by simply inviting her to join you. If she doesnt join you, its time to move on and not give her another second of your time.
 

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Good list.

All 7 of these can be avoided/determined by simply asking a chick to join you for a drink. Its either a Yes and she shows up or its a no, regardless of her words. The only other alternative is if she gives you a specific time through a counter offer.

Men can avoid the chasing, over pursuing, being taken advantage of, etc., by simply inviting her to join you. If she doesnt join you, its time to move on and not give her another second of your time.
True, although a lot of women are going to say yes to a drink regardless especially if they think it's free. I think the real filter is when you make a move.
 
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