"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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mothballs

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First off, I've lurked on this forum for a good 4 years... never really thought of asking a question, but I have given up on asking advice in other forums because people just don't take this stuff seriously. This site is a great resource and I've gained a lot of useful knowledge over the years. Cheers to those of you that put in the effort.

A little backstory to me, I have only had one serious girlfriend and a few love interests and dates over the years... lost my virginity at 18 to this girl whom I loved and she trampled me about 8 months later and hooked up with another guy 3 weeks later. So... anyway, I have not gotten laid in 9 years. I am not good at aproaching women, but my taste in women basically weeds out 95% of them right of the top... and I don't do the bar or club scene, nor do I really want the caliber of woman who does. So, I usually meet women through either friends and family or when I was going, at school in classes. I don't persue particularly fit or attractive women by most people's standards... 6's or 7's and nobody too heavy... the thing is I am a personality perfectionist and it has saved me a lot of greif over the years. As long as she's not repulsive, her personality is all that matters to me. Still, in my day I've probably found a dozen women that were a good fit to my standard and either done nothing and became a friend or found out they actually were crazy and GTFO of there.

Anyway, feeble excuses aside, I am quite confident around people and have no problem finding friends, I just usually don't end up taking the first step with women and all that happens is I extend my social network. So back to the actual question... My mom has been pushing for me to meet of her intern for several months and she finally made it happen with a small party at her house yesterday. The girl is nice, fairly cute and has a great personality. We all exchanged some stories and had some laughs and played some cards... typical group activities. None of us got into any one on one conversations, but I cracked a few observations that made her laugh pretty good and she seemed quite comfortable after the initial introductions... She herself is shy, but seems to open up once she is comfortable... kind of a mirror of me. So, I'm sure I'm on decent footing right now... The only questions are, how do I contact her and when do I contact her? One problem is that I'm 3 hours away, but will be moving back into the area this summer. I go out there maybe every other week or 3, and I have no qualms about driving distances. So, at my disposal, I currently have her work number because it is my mom's work number, and I have met her in person and got to see a little about who she is, and vice versa. I do have to be careful not to cause any damage with whatever I do, and I don't do short term... I'm in this for the entire course of the relationship, whatever that may be. I am dead set on persuing this, so the only advice I'm not gonna listen to is not to do it... otherwise my ears are open.

My thoughts are, call her up in a day or two at work and tell her I enjoyed meeting her and will be back in town in a couple weeks and would like to take her out for coffee or lunch... and get her personal number and a good time to call her closer to that date. Other than that I'm drawing a blank. I don't think I should wait a week though because that may just send a signal I'm not interested or someone's putting me up to it. Or am I already out of the running because I didn't make an effort to extract her from the group and get her digits right then and there? She is single for the forseeable future... so no real danger in losing out to another guy.

TIA
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I would wait 3 to 4 days to contact her. 1 to 2 is too predictable, and this way she will be thinking about why you haven't contacted her yet.

Next, I would set up a meeting at a cafe because it's much less formal than lunch. Cafes are pretty relaxed settings and if she really isn't as interesting as you had remembered then you only lost an hour of time and $2.50 on her drink.
 

mothballs

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1 reply... I either bored you all to death with a wall of text or I got it pretty much right... :p It was probably the former lol.

I don't think my mom made any direct indication to her when inviting her that she was trying to set us up, but I don't think you could invite your intern to a party, tell her that your son will be there and she'd like you to meet him and not get any ideas about her intentions... I am confident of a positive response, I just want to nail it... so, 3-4 days may say to her that I'm busy and have a life, but I made an effort to contact her as soon as possible, but I'm not quite sure if it's necessary since she probably doesn't completely expect the call at this time... you know what I mean? The predictable factor goes out the window, but having waited that time probably sends the same signal... without her waiting by the phone for 3-4 days.

I'm just overthinking this, it's nothing more than trying to set up a first date, I have no way to know if this will actually turn into anything... other than knowing that on the surface she's the type of person I'd get along with.
 
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