"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Life is good after ex :) Opinion appricated on wobbly plate

Duracell_Bunny

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It feels like ages since I've been on here.

You would be glad to know after a LJBF with the ex where I was so close to wanting to see her again (I fell for her validation). I have stayed NC and pretty much those feelings are almost diminished and controllable. We did bump into each other again at a local supermarket. I really couldn't be bothered to talk, we made brief eye contact and she froze with a face of thunder (I assume because that same weekend I ignored her bombardment of calls/texts about going to a mutual friends b-day) but I just chuckled to myself and carried on about my business. It bothered me a little afterwards from seeing her again in person but it was short lived to a day or so.

In the meantime I have signed up with a gym and hired a personal trainer (more like personal torturer). I have lost over a stone in a month through cardio on my own, and now its time to bulk (was 13st of liquid, now 11,10) - I'm taking this seriously following a hefty personalized diet plan from my trainer (I'm struggling to eat so often), even reducing the alcohol intake considerably. I had a budget saved for new fancy TV but I'm putting all this towards the PT and booked two holidays with the lads. One of these holidays involves me staying at the resort for a day on my own at the beginning and end of the week cos of flight differences, I'll take that opportunity to go out on my own for some random experiences (its a clubbing destination). For some reason its seen as really creepy and god dam strange to go out alone around where I live.

The weekend when I was ignoring the exes contact I was out with some friends on a Saturday night. This random drunken guy was over the top on the dancing in a bar, me and this tall skinny HB8 made eye contact by both looking at each other with a "WTF?" expression. Following that, she kept doing that finger thing to say "come here". I smiled shaking my head repeating what she did. Over she comes and all my friends leave me. She turned out to be Irish and only there for a few days claiming that she was over for a relatives wedding. I was also not from this town and I thought I could have some fun seeing what I could do with this one. She then introduces me to her friend and I'm now shaky as ever as her friend was just as stunning and they are both really touchy. We got joking etc. I was giving her stories about the antics of a weekend I had in Dublin. She was standing very close so that her arm was against mine. Gathered she was going to this club me and my friends had also planned to go later, so I took her number and said see you there but I really must be getting back to my friends now. At this point we had out arms around each other as she tapped in her number. She was all "no, don't leave me". We had a brief kiss and I went back to my friends.

I didn't call her but did see her in the club. She was surrounded by like 3 macho guys who were on what appeared to be high rapport and were dancing with her. But my mind was put at rest when I noticed they were buying her drinks. She then moved on and got approached by another guy. I saw out of the corner of my eye she was glancing over but I just smiled and continued chatting to my friends. At this point the Irish girl was sticking her tongue out at me and being all childish. I eventually approached her and that guy walked off after a few moments where she turned her attention towards me. What happened next I do no know... all of a sudden everything was lost, she just stood there with no expression being very passive I could not get her to respond to anything, she was unresponsive to kino but not negative (like I would discreetly put my hand on her waist as I leaned in to speak over the noise in the club but she didn't physically remove it), yet she was standing there facing me with her feet pointing towards me. What the hell??? The only thing she initiated was her saying "why didn't you call?". I thought I had control of the situation but clearly not. I walked away being friendly about it. A few minutes later Irish girl was looking all angry and dancing close to our group, I was dancing with another girl (a 6, part of my friends group more on that next) but Irish girl left when her friend took her away, and that was that. I'm baffled.

This 6 at the time in my eyes was just a friend, her b/f was in our group as a merged social circle. I do not know this guy who is seriously a proper knob and she is always complaining about it to everyone. Throughout the night I was thinking what an absolute slag, she was chatting to all my friends getting their numbers and complaining how quiet I was (yet she saw me kiss and exchange numbers with that HB8).

In the days after two of my close friends are in constant contact texting and calling her... a lot. The three are getting along like crazy. This weekend we all go up to travel and see some friends further up the country. I offered to drive up, and she comes along with us leaving her b/f back at home. So this girl, has left her b/f to travel 3 hours across the country with 4 lads (including myself) to spend a night out with even more lads, and spent the night in an apartment filled with males. I booked a hotel room and stayed with another friend.

When we picked her up she was commenting on me saying things like "hey, your talking". uh??? Later on travelling up she was talking to these two of my friends saying how her b/f doesn't give her sex and how she always has to be on top. On the night out I really was thinking what a crazy girl, she was chatting to many random guys during the night out. Even passing and saying directly to me "I love you" in a joking way. At this point I really had no intention of doing anything and enjoyed watching guys fight over her and approached other women, without success. We got into a 1 to 1 situation at the bar where I playfully elbowed her in the side saying "your trouble you are" in a cheeky way. She then got back onto that "its nice to see you talking, you were really quiet last week". The rest of the group joins and it carried on as before.

Later on and they all decided to go back to the apartment, she then asks if its ok to go back with me to the hotel as she was worried about the other two of my friends who where clearly expecting something and fighting over her. I was like ok but me and (the other person who booked the room with me) are staying out a while longer. She tagged along. I was friendly to her but didn't try anything, we kept her in viewing distance as she went around talking to randoms as we went to a couple of bars.

Us three got back to the room (two single beds that where inches apart). I was lying on my bed and she laid down next to me after going to the bathroom, my other friend was very much asleep in his. We cuddled up both fully clothed, then kissed. She was then all asking questions about am I single, what happened to the last girl, have I got anyone on the go at the moment, finishing with her saying "I really like you" and that her g/f is nothing more than a **** buddy. We fell asleep in a spooning position. The regret I feel about not making any further moves is killing me, all it took would have been a small slip of the hand onto her leg (she was in a short skirt). I have satisfaction of gaining respect from my friend for not doing anything right beside him but I guess that's my excuse.

I got woken up early morning from her phone ringing, its the b/f. She was still cuddled up with me, I could here what he was saying through the speaker. Her responses were cold with simple answers like "it was ok" and "I don't know". I feel sorry for the poor guy. He said he loved her, she stayed silent and he asked her, she responded with "maybe not". While she was on the phone, I checked my mail using my mobile to find an email notification saying she had written on my Facebook wall saying "Duracell, I love you maaaan :) xxx".

From here I thought she had lost all interest in me (if there was any). She complained her neck was aching, so I removed my arm from under her. Me and my friend decided to leave the hotel and find somewhere to grab a beer (it was great sunny hot weather, threes loads of bars in this town overlooking the riverside). While walking around she kept complaining how she feels like crap from drinking and feeling very embarrassed walking around in that short skirt. She then decided to go back to the apartment. I asked for her number, the intention was to call her to let her know we were heading back but she responded with "text me later".

I called but know no answer, followed by a text a few minutes later saying "Whos this". I had called up one of the lads anyway. On the way back I find out shes exchanged numbers with another one of my friends (the one who owns the apartment). So she now has like all of my close friends numbers but one.

As she left she said to my friend "text me later yeah". I was constantly asked by these two friends did we do anything. I clearly kept telling them no, all we did was cuddle up but they didn't seem to believe me.

From being with my friends, I know they text her back the instant she sends a message

At this point I really think I have been put into the friends zone added to this hores collection of "this guy gives me attention and makes me feel good about myself".

I dropped her a tiny text later on in the day anyway just out of curiosity and to social so to speak - I will make it clear to you lot there is no way what so ever that I would ever consider this "thing" to be girlfriend material. Just a lay would do me. I cannot believe how many guys she seeks attention from.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Duracell_Bunny

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Anyways all I said to her was "Hello trouble. Its Duracell, yeah that was me who called earlier. Hows that hangover doing? I'm in town back on it watching the England game". Her response was "Hey babe :) Yeah I thought it was you earlier. My hangover is curred. I would have come if you asked. Thanks for looking after me last night btw :) xx". I didn't respond to that, she then sent another two, one about 30mins later of some crap about that bad decision on the England goal and another in the evening saying "Hows town?". I responded later with a quick C&F but nothing more. Woke up to find a message from her "Good morning babe, you ok? xxx". I've not responded to that.

Apologies for the long post, a lot of little details there. I really don't have any intention of this as a g/f but a lay would be nice. I just can't decide whether or not calling her up for a date in the next couple of days is a good/bad idea for saying she has crawled into my social circle. I get that snug and contempt feeling knowing that she has very likely friend zoned these two who constantly call/text her. But I'm worried that I could let on by an attention ***** or is she really is lining up a replacement for her b.f. I don't want to call her up for a date that would lead to potential damages.

Damn, right now I really think all women are nothing more than attention *****s wanting validation. I remember seeing some writing on the back of a drinks bottle yesterday that said "serve cold, keep on ice". That label should be placed on women.

Either way, right now my life is at its best. I used to be happy to stay at home playing games now I just grave to be out of the house and around people. I really can't wait to see whats going to happen over the next few months with the training.
 

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£5 says your going to magaluf.

Assuming that the rest of your story was about the 'hb6 who had a boyfriend but was a huge slut', why didnt you text the irish girl!

She called you over at a club, thats as easy as it gets. Usually the best you can hope for is a smile! All you have to do from there is kiss her and text her 2 days later.

Also, any holes a goal, you probably should have bucked the ugly slut girl anyway.
 

Duracell_Bunny

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Ease said:
£5 says your going to magaluf.

Assuming that the rest of your story was about the 'hb6 who had a boyfriend but was a huge slut', why didnt you text the irish girl!
I attempted contact with Irish girl on the Monday but had no response.

A date has been arranged with the 6 who has a b/f but I can guarentee shes lost interest in him while hes sucking up to her. She's into this texting, I guess its cos shes a lot younger than me (about 19 I think) or she could be being a little secrative about the whole thing.

Anyway, I don't know if to flake myself. I have a gut feeling that shes labelled me with freind/cuddle ***** over the past couple of days. Her rapport with my other two freinds is immense.

Her messages have gone less flirty.

After only sending one text on the Sunday and ignoring all her others, she sends one first thing Monday morning:
"Morning babe, you ok xxx"
Me - about 12 hours later "Hello you. day was great, although the office air-con wasn't of much use. Was tempting to work in just my boxers. hbu? x"
Her, a few hours later (at stupid o'clock in the morning) "Hey babes, sorry havn't text back I've hardly had my phone on me. Well Duracell I must say.. Cheeky ;) my day was good, quite busy at work though :) Hope you had a good night x x"

Me this afternoon "Oh, I though you were the cheeky one :D Im free tommorrow night, let's go for a drink. x"
Her instantly "I'm at work til 8 but I'll take some clothes to work and get changed then if you want?"
About a minute later "Ohhhh, you going pub tonight?"
Me a couple of hours later "I would but I have plans for tonight. Will pick you up tommorow about 9. x"
Her "Aww I'm going to the pub with [name of one of my freind whos chasing after her] and everyone, lol, okay :) You up too much tonight? X

That last text I'll ignore but will call her tommorow to say I'm on my way, thats if I decide to go but I get doughts that these two freinds (and whoever else) have been with her tonight and shes changed her facebook pic to a photo with just her and two on there - not bothered me too much I was in the gym training tonight. But she really is nothing more than a FB to me and I'm suprised I didn't get an invite from my freinds. mmmm. The most to be honest all I would really want is to gain more experience with dating (if it is one). I've only been on one date with another girl and that was an epic fail.
 
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