"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Jealous girl seeking advice

spider_007

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alright, lets say you had a boat, and two guys you hang out with before wanted to meet up with you and go boating, would you see it as them trying to gang you? (FORGET the fact that every guy wants to nail evey gurl).

to me it sounds puirty inocent. If there was no reason for them to call him (or otherway around) then i'd be little worried.

#2 there was no reason for him to bring it up. What's the guy gona say; "oh hun i just want to run it buy you, these two gurls gave me their numbers because they wanted to 'ride my boat'."
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Desdinova

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I keep picturing all these women throwing themselves at him, but I'm not gonna say anything. Just be cool, right, like it ain't no thang?
You can't help it if he's attractive. He'll make his decision. If his decision is to be faithful to you, you have nothing to worry about.

Judging by your pic, you probably have nothing to worry about ;)
 

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I still get little pangs of worry about this weekend though. I can't prevent anything from happening, and realistically I don't think anything bad will happen, but how do I stop fretting about it?
 

WhAcKeD!

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There is one thing I would never do if I was a girl on the internet:

Post a picture of myself.
 

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aw thanks desdinova again, just read the last reply. You've been very helpful! :D
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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marianne

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you're right spider girls often hand out their number with no intention of banging the recipient. I guess I see him as an irresistable adonis, not all girls do though, according to him.
 

Desdinova

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but how do I stop fretting about it?
Just remember that if he ever fvcks up, you'll be able to move on with your life. You've probably had to do it before, and you'll be able to do it again.

Until the time comes for your relationship to end, enjoy it!
 

marianne

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thats true. I've always wanted to go to Paris, that'll be my reward if this doesn't work out.
 

marianne

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Thanks everybody! Most of you have been surprisingly helpful! I had my doubts when I was asked to post my pic, but this worked out quite well. I have to say oftentimes it's MUCH easier to get a straight answer from a guy. I've always found men much easier to talk to, and judging by the other threads I'm sure you all agree. ;) I apologize for the occasionally flaky behaviour of my fellow females, just know that when they act weird it's often because they feel insecure.
 

far from average

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Desdinova said:
Forgive the horny newbies on the site. Many of them are still trying to land a woman.
Now, now, let's not be catty.

My advice:

Try to be reasonable with him and with yourself. You don't want to be the girl that freaks out when her boyfriend says he is going to his friend's bachelor party, but then again just blithely letting him do whatever he wants when you aren't comfortable with it is doing yourself a disservice and asking for trouble. Figure out what your boundaries are, look at whether or not they're reasonable, and then set them with your boyfriend.

I would give the same advice to a friend, an ex, a sister, whatever, regardless of their "hb rating."
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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marianne

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ha ha! catty. That's what shakespeare said : sigh not so, but let him go, and be you blithe and bonny"

well, since you brought it up, he doesn't go to strip clubs, but the bachelor party is a possibilty in the future. He knows I don't like the idea of another woman's boobs in his face. I don't see that as unreasonable, but I wouldn't try to prevent him from going because I don't want to restrict him. But he knows how I feel about it. He doesn't really like aggressive strippers anyways he's kinda shy. ANYWAYS, is there such a thing as stripper-free bachelor parties?
 

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I'd say you you need to base your judgement on his character. If he's the type to flirt with girls, go clubbing with the lads, watch porn and talk about other women, he is a lot more likely to cheat on you than a guy who has cut contact with his ex-s, expresses his feelings for you and feels proud to be with you.

Unfortunately, once you start mind games, trying to make him feel jealous etc, you may stir up trouble for yourself. If my girlfriend started doing that with me, I would do the same in retaliation and who knows where it would end. However, instead she actually told me about some of the jealousy issues she has, how she feels uncomfortable with me hanging with female friends and ex-s, and I've respected her wishes on the condition that she does the same.

If he's a reasonable guy and cares about you, then you should be ok to talk to him.
 

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I think you're right Jariel. i've totally avoided mind games for that very reason, he would absoloutely retaliate. I think one of the reasons I was attracted to him in the first place was that he wasn't a playboy. He's Sort of the strong silent type, kinda shy. Christ he told me he had to drink a mickey of rum before he had the courage to ask me out. So he's more the latter type that you described. Phew! Thanks thats what I needed to hear. :)
 

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Jariel said:
I'd say you you need to base your judgement on his character. If he's the type to flirt with girls, go clubbing with the lads, watch porn and talk about other women, he is a lot more likely to cheat on you than a guy who has cut contact with his ex-s, expresses his feelings for you and feels proud to be with you.

Unfortunately, once you start mind games, trying to make him feel jealous etc, you may stir up trouble for yourself. If my girlfriend started doing that with me, I would do the same in retaliation and who knows where it would end. However, instead she actually told me about some of the jealousy issues she has, how she feels uncomfortable with me hanging with female friends and ex-s, and I've respected her wishes on the condition that she does the same.

If he's a reasonable guy and cares about you, then you should be ok to talk to him.
Jariel,

Don't know what it is, but your fvckin posts make sense to me. That was good advice.
 

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marianne said:
ha ha! catty. That's what shakespeare said : sigh not so, but let him go, and be you blithe and bonny"

well, since you brought it up, he doesn't go to strip clubs, but the bachelor party is a possibilty in the future. He knows I don't like the idea of another woman's boobs in his face. I don't see that as unreasonable, but I wouldn't try to prevent him from going because I don't want to restrict him. But he knows how I feel about it. He doesn't really like aggressive strippers anyways he's kinda shy. ANYWAYS, is there such a thing as stripper-free bachelor parties?
There are such things as stripper free bachelor parties, to answer your question. Some guys just do a bar night, or outdoor activities like a fishing trip. If you are ok with him going as long as he doesn't fool around with the strippers, say that. Those are your boundaries, set them.

marianne said:
Christ he told me he had to drink a mickey of rum before he had the courage to ask me out. So he's more the latter type that you described. Phew! Thanks thats what I needed to hear.
A mickey of rum? Where are you from, anyway?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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marianne

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ha ha! Canada. I thought that might confuse people. I don't know what you call them here.
that's perfect! He LOVES camping. We go like every weekend. He'd love to do that for a bachelor party. Try and suggest it to him if any of his friends get hitched too. Bwa ha ha
 

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marianne said:
I am a slightly jealous girlfriend, I read an article on this website that said jealous men should play it cool and not attempt to restrict their girlfriends behaviour, ie: lunch with ex, or male strip club, and she would respect him. Would you say this approach can work in the reverse? Or will "letting" my boyfriend go to strip clubs and lunch with past flames just give him opportunities that he can't resist?[/COL:nervous: OR]



My advice.

Dump him and sleep with me!!!:D :D :D :D :D

God, I love those eyes. They're very, very sexy eyes.

Ha ha.
 
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