"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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IOI's but not very "into" sex

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Had a good first date with a HB9 last night and came back to my place - was pretty drunk so I wasn't... functioning when we first got back, although she tried really hard. I handled that pretty well just had a break etc, then when we went back to it, it was mainly me initiating and she wasn't as enthusiastic - I dont know about you guys but if the girl isnt really into it then its not that great - so it didnt happen again. I then kino escalated a few more times and in the morning - we did everything apart from f-close.

What do you guys do if it is you putting in all the effort into initiating sex? How do you handle a girl that is willing just not very Into it - or maybe just out of practice/inexperienced? Do you just keep on going regardless of how responsive she is? Do you keep trying until it works and then of course everything is a different story? Is it maybe just that she just know's she's hot and therefore doesn't need to put in any effort? She's also quite shy and inexperienced - is it maybe quite normal for girls like this to act this way on a first date then? - maybe even getting this far was a big deal for her?

Also I noticed she seemed to really get off on saying no and then having that barrier breached by me - almost like mini **** tests - "no we are not doing that!" and then basically I forced her to do it anyway and she liked it even more - something about me not taking her **** and just having confidence must be working here right. It was weird though - almost like we were having a fight at one point - her biting me - very rough - but she seemed to like that the most - any experience with girls like this? Makes me think the above stuff (unenthusiasm) could also have been a **** test to see how much I would fight for it/push in the face of resistance?

Finally - what now? How long wait till text? what you text?
 
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Your post is very hard to follow. Try a rewrite.
 
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horaholic said:
Your post is very hard to follow. Try a rewrite.
That's true.

The title is even more true though. Disinterest in sex is the ultimate IOD.

IOI's are indicators, not absolutes. And no matter how big they are, they don't matter when the IOD's are bigger.
 

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IOI's don't mean sh*t. Hell, a Ford Pinto is more reliable!

IOD's, however, are as reliable as a Chrysler 300 and a Toyota Corolla!

This one about not being into sex is never good. It means she ain't attracted to you or she's holding out for a better man.

Cut and run. Keep your distance. That's my ruling.

Case closed.
 
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