Intro... Boobjobs and Imprinting Desires

[va2000]

I haven't really introduced myself or my situation, so this will serve as my intro thread as well as pose one of my biggest questions. I'll say in advance, all are free to judge, I don't consider my past approach to life to be perfect, but I'm very pleased with where I am and where I'm going so for the most part I'm focused on what is next. (A lot of my actions were clearly beta conditioned behaviors, as I had no conscious red pill framework until recently, but I was lucky in that I had maybe a 50/50 red pill nature and a lot of things I did worked out for the best in hindsight).

I met my current LTR a handful of years ago and dated several years exclusively but without providing. My work since then is mainly travel (about 3/4 of the year). She was a total tomboy but I was up front about my intense priority for extremely large breasts (implants) at the beginning, and while she was at first quite opposed she soon expressed complete willingness to go through it for me. In complete honesty my SMV is a few points above hers and this has likely influenced her deep conversion for me which is quite strong by now. We began using the "Daddy" and "babygirl" terms early as I identified our natural dynamic as such, but were not officially LTR until after a few years when I was frustrated with her non-committal version of submission.

At that point I see that I presented my whole frame to her (not knowing the word): do you want all in? call me Daddy, choose to follow my lead, give me your body to transform as I see fit, quit your job (a small fraction of my salary) be my "decorator/homemaker" and go to fitness classes like it's a part time job. In hindsight not quite as crazy as it sounded even to myself as a conditioned A/B confused guy, though of course it implied a lot of "settling" and overt focus on her as a goal-state... but it worked.

She is now on her second boobjob and is incredibly deep converted (somewhat dangerous but great for LTR). After the first enhancement settled in I told her it was time for the second, and after a little mewling about waiting she said she was ready and went through with it. Unfortunately after this time she has had more anxiety and freaked out a few times about objectification and asked me to promise that if she feels like it's too crazy if I will cover her to go back. I attribute the freak outs to the massive amount of beta caretaking and fawning that I believed was necessary not only as after-care from surgery but out of appreciation (it's interesting and perhaps telling that one time I expressed profusely that I appreciated her new body and the effort and she literally said she it doesn't help to hear that). Of course I promised she won't be stuck with implants if she ultimately can't handle it, as I'm no monster, but she knows it would change our dynamic and thus I'm relying on deep conversion.

I know this is all kind of crazy but it's where I am at. Sex is great and quite regular when we are together even after so many years, though a bit less organic on her part clearly due to LTR complacency (it is actually why I sought out red pill). I am massively enthused about moving forward RP aware and I have a new found confidence that she will only respond better to my influence because of it. She asked for a slight nose job (I didn't even plant that seed) and is still improving her health and fitness habits.

At this point I plan first to develop my dominance in everyday things, as well as sexually. I am introducing passive dread albeit in very small ways as I can tell her self-perceived SMV hasn't caught up with her physical transformation.

My biggest question, is in addition to gradual domination, what are good, specific ways to influence her mind to adopt your own desires? (I've been successful in some things like long hair, less piercings, etc. but boob greed is a tough one for some girls to adopt)

 

[Bible_Belt]

There's actually a sex fetish called "bimboification." I've seen more women get into it than men, actually.

 

[va2000]

Yea dollification has been my frame since before I knew her, but I'm not specifically into the Barbie style, more like gothic lolita with anime tits. Right now she hates the word bimbo (even if it means baby), and I don't really think it's necessary to go that direction... more importantly, I doubt it's possible whatsoever to encourage a fetish in someone else unless it's already buried there.

 

[AJ84]

Yea dollification has been my frame since before I knew her, but I'm not specifically into the Barbie style, more like gothic lolita with anime tits. Right now she hates the word bimbo (even if it means baby), and I don't really think it's necessary to go that direction... more importantly, I doubt it's possible whatsoever to encourage a fetish in someone else unless it's already buried there.

What you seem to both have is a fetish relationship, I would not say this is red pill to be honest. It's a fetish that both of you are into, with the doll creation, dominance stuff etc. If this is working for you, I would be careful about messing this up trying to apply stuff that may not fit with this fetish arrangement, which obviously relies on her willingness and enjoyment. If you apply tactics that make her feel bad or doubt things, you risk turning her off. This arrangement has to work for her too.

Why would she undergo major surgeries ( that she already expressed hesitance over) for someone who is going to apply dread game and make her question whether you will even stay with her?

There must be sites on what you are into where you can get advice around maintaining this kind of relationship. There has to be a high trust and comfort level to allow someone to dominate you in the context of a fetish. Some red pill stuff actually erodes that comfort and trust so consider this carefully.

 

[va2000]

I agree, it's not the norm, and she has basically stepped into an extremely unequal situation. Looking back, I have been extra careful about keeping dread to the first 5 levels (though I didn't understand it). She is definitely enamored of my "goodness" and being loyal factors into that, but at the same time I think it can be all too easy for the focused nature of the fetish and the level of care and protection it requires to fall into the mate guarding category. The spidey senses I felt recently are signaling a teeny bit too much comfort in the idea that because she is uncommonly modified and almost "designed" by me, she might be indispensable. I need her to feel special enough to believe in the value of continuing with the transformation, but not so special that she thinks she is transformed enough that I would never dream of having to start over.

You imply that she wouldn't sacrifice part of her identity if she knew she was going to be gamed... but I think that's the point of game. If it is identified it has no power. It is true, body modification is a serious step, and will factor into how much dread is required, but I don't see why certain situations would negate it's utility. It would seem any intersex relationship requires a finely tuned balance in order to maintain maximum desire.

Still the question remains, how to instill desire for (and of course enjoyment of) a fetish. This is the one thing all game seems to leave to chance... she will sense a need for action, but there is no stated mechanism for guiding her response to the need.

 

[AJ84]

I agree, it's not the norm, and she has basically stepped into an extremely unequal situation. Looking back, I have been extra careful about keeping dread to the first 5 levels (though I didn't understand it). She is definitely enamored of my "goodness" and being loyal factors into that, but at the same time I think it can be all too easy for the focused nature of the fetish and the level of care and protection it requires to fall into the mate guarding category. The spidey senses I felt recently are signaling a teeny bit too much comfort in the idea that because she is uncommonly modified and almost "designed" by me, she might be indispensable. I need her to feel special enough to believe in the value of continuing with the transformation, but not so special that she thinks she is transformed enough that I would never dream of having to start over.

You imply that she wouldn't sacrifice part of her identity if she knew she was going to be gamed... but I think that's the point of game. If it is identified it has no power. It is true, body modification is a serious step, and will factor into how much dread is required, but I don't see why certain situations would negate it's utility. It would seem any intersex relationship requires a finely tuned balance in order to maintain maximum desire.

Still the question remains, how to instill desire for (and of course enjoyment of) a fetish. This is the one thing all game seems to leave to chance... she will sense a need for action, but there is no stated mechanism for guiding her response to the need.

You are asking a living human being with thoughts and feelings to get surgical procedures to look, act and live like an inanimate object. This is beyond gaming in the context of dating or a relationship.
I'm really not sure how dread game and other strategies aimed to make her feel bad will enhance her willingness to undergo medical procedures, quit her job and depend on your to feed and house her. Do you see where I'm going with this? Put the shoe on the other foot.
I think you should be happy that you have a girl who is willing to go under the knife for you. She's already doing what you want her to do so why mess with that?
Though she may be turning into a doll for you she won't be an actual doll so will continue to have thoughts and feelings that will be effected by your behaviour towards her and not necessarily to your benefit. Don't fix what isn't broken, and seek advice from other men who have similar arrangements.

 

[va2000]

You are missing my point... you keep getting hung up on dread and I've tried to communicate that it is just a small aspect of redpill awareness that I am including in my frame, it's not the focal point by far.

• I should mention I'm not deep into this fetish where I mean doll in any literal sense.
• I'm still asking for dominance and charisma advice, and you seem to have none of that to spare.

 

[AJ84]

You are missing my point... you keep getting hung up on dread and I've tried to communicate that it is just a small aspect of redpill awareness that I am including in my frame, it's not the focal point by far.

• I should mention I'm not deep into this fetish where I mean doll in any literal sense.
• I'm still asking for dominance and charisma advice, and you seem to have none of that to spare.

I apologize, as to be honest I'm not familiar with how to get a woman to quit her job and undergo cosmetic surgeries to transform into something a person wants while at the same time making sure that she doesn't get too comfortable and knows she can be replaced, after quitting her job and getting cosmetic surgeries for the person.

Hope you find what you are looking for.