"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I have been talking to a girl for awhile, we quit talking though because she met someone a few months ago and although they didn't work out we quit talking because i became obssessed with why she didn't give me a chance. I txted her all the time and she never responded.

Now keep in mind this girl does not like talking on the phone but she loves txting.

So a few nights ago we were txting back and forth when all the sudden she says she is horny as hell blah blah blah. Well my heart starts racign and i freaked out, the fact that i wasn't sober didn't help and i began txting her, when i didn't get a response i txted her again asking what she's doing, i waited and again no response. Eventually i tried calling her and after she didn't answer i asked her why she was ignoring me. After that i breathed and sent her one more txt apologizing and that i would txt her tomorrow.

Next day she responds with really short simple answers and i sent her an email i told her to check it. She said and i quote

"Listen after all the phone calls last night and bugging out on me because i didin't respond is bull**** this is why i quit talking to you cuz you get like this and its annoying and needy and you go on long rants about how i make your life better and blah blah it hapens every time and its annoying. and every time i don't answer right away i get long emails. Nothing is new."

I sent her a few messages trying to get her to talk to me, after i think three i gave up. Now i really do believe me and this girl could have something great going i just need to quit being so scared. I don't have a car yet and im looking for work so naturally im afraid she is gonna find someone better(not to hard really, she is stacked)

I want to know what i can do to salvage this situation, i have thought of telling her maybe we should just be friends but i don't want to get into that hole without some advice. I would appreciate any and all responses.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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oh man
i dont think you could salvage this one
she now sees you as needy, annoying, and maybe stalkerish.

that text where she says she "was horny" was a **** test.

everything you've done was totally wrong.

do you know where you made your mistakes?
 

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As she already said (and I agree with her) you are waaaaaaaaayyy too pushy. Jesus man. You are all over her as soon as she shows interest.

Listen, If I where you I just let this one go. She clearly stated she is not interested and your history together is also not working in you advantage.
 

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I know exactly where i went wrong.
 

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Thundernuts said:
I know exactly where i went wrong.
what will you do to improve for the next time?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Well correct me if im wrong but i know i have to learn to be patient, the more i chase the more the desperate i look. I mean i am not trying to come up with excuses but man I've lost woman after woman to some other guy who comes along, i try so hard because i try and make myself feel secure. Definately need to cut that one out.
 

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Girl got horny, was probably texting you and 5 other guys the exact same thing. The bigger fish (the one that texted her back sexually) won. Kept her attention while she ignored the others, allowing you all to completely expose your beta and needy side. Thus, the following text in the morning. This girl is no good. Next her.

-Scars
 

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yeah im starting to think the same thing now, i was just hoping that this time things would be different since i asked her out only a day before, last time she went out with a guy who ended up just using her when things between her and i were going good. I suppose ill let what happens next play as it should, if she wants me she has my number. Kind of sucks though, i live in eastern texas, girls i would consider dating are few and very far between.
 

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RedZone said:
Yeah, she seems more trouble than she is worth.
Thundernuts said:
yeah im starting to think the same thing now, i was just hoping that this time things would be different since i asked her out only a day before, last time she went out with a guy who ended up just using her when things between her and i were going good. I suppose ill let what happens next play as it should, if she wants me she has my number. Kind of sucks though, i live in eastern texas, girls i would consider dating are few and very far between.
Actually with all your texting, and desperation, waiting around for her, and neediness, you seem to be more trouble than you're worth.

That girl told you exactly what any guy on this site would have told you. Back off, be cool, and stop taking these girls so seriously.

And even after getting your balls handed to you, you're still talking about "if she wants me, she has my number." No. F*** that. You're done with her. Regardless of whether she calls you or not.

You're coming off like a very very weak man. And my suggestion is to put in a LOT of work on yourself. Your whole frame is just wacky. Did you really tell this girl how she "makes your life better"? Jesus.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Your done. Move on. This situation cannot be repaired.

You have to follow the simple rules. I'll admit it, I'm an AFC who has very limited success with women, but the little success I do have is because I do not text over and over again and I do NOT panic when she does not respond right away.

Also, never send a chick a long text. They should be kept short, witty, funny, anything but long and needy

I bet she wasn't even horny. Probably was used to you acting like this and wanted to make you dance for her. Make you frustrated. She uses her sexual power to control you and make you go crazy. Eventually using you as a puppet will get boring and she won't want anything to do with you

Delete her number. Go to the club this weekend and work on your night game. If she ever texts you back, it will be perfect because then you will have to ask "who is this?" That in and of itself will have her wanting you back
 

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Iceberg said:
Actually with all your texting, and desperation, waiting around for her, and neediness, you seem to be more trouble than you're worth.

That girl told you exactly what any guy on this site would have told you. Back off, be cool, and stop taking these girls so seriously.

And even after getting your balls handed to you, you're still talking about "if she wants me, she has my number." No. F*** that. You're done with her. Regardless of whether she calls you or not.

You're coming off like a very very weak man. And my suggestion is to put in a LOT of work on yourself. Your whole frame is just wacky. Did you really tell this girl how she "makes your life better"? Jesus.
I got to say i appreciate the truth. I may have once when she told her something similar when we were talking before, but not when we started again no. And you don't understand, there are seriously no women around here i would consider actually putting in the time for a relationship, they are all sluts who sleep with the same guys, they share them like cats share a litterbox. See unlike some of the guys on here im not interested in being a player who's going around town just picking out a girl and going for it. the reason i joined this site is because i know i screwed up and i know i need help and i know there are guys on here who know what to do and how to do it.
 

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Thundernuts said:
And you don't understand, there are seriously no women around here i would consider actually putting in the time for a relationship, they are all sluts who sleep with the same guys, they share them like cats share a litterbox.
And from your stories about her meeting other guys and not speaking to you afterward, she sounds like one of them.

If your town sucks, then leave it. But what i suspect is, you get fixated on one girl and then to justify your obsession, you try to disqualify all the other girls around you.

See unlike some of the guys on here im not interested in being a player who's going around town just picking out a girl and going for it.
So you want to be a guy who obsesses over one girl instead?

It's not about becoming a "player" and chasing skirt all around town. It's about putting yourself in the position of chooser instead of waiting for some girl to choose you. If you find one great girl tomorrow and marry her, then good for you. But chances are, you're gonna have to sift through some duds along the way.

But right now, you're the dud. You're the clingy, obsessive, love-sick stalker that girls warn each other about (at least in this particular relationship). Which is why I'm saying you need to work on yourself.

And you don't have to answer this, but I suspect that you never even had sex with this girl who you're letting stomp all over your balls.
 

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no i haven't slept with her, probably won't either but i can live with that. And i am not letting stomp all over my balls either, im just not gonna go and start cussing at her and wasting even more time with her. So what would you suggest i do Iceberg?
 

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Thundernuts said:
no i haven't slept with her, probably won't either but i can live with that. And i am not letting stomp all over my balls either, im just not gonna go and start cussing at her and wasting even more time with her. So what would you suggest i do Iceberg?
No one's telling you to cuss at her. I'm suggesting that you forget about her, focus on improving yourself, and meet other girls.

I don't care about whatever preconceived notions you have about other girls in town. I don't believe them. There are other date-worthy girls in town...you just tell yourself that there aren't.

Go work out, improve at your hobbies, build confidence, and focus on other things.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Thankyou everyone

I have been reading the DJ bible, my god looking at what ive become i think im gonna through up, all for a woman who is a seven at best. You have to love a good epiphany, or two...or three.
 

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well thundernuts, you have entered a whole new world. be prepared because its gets trickier.
 
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