"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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This is a bit long but hopefully someone here will read it and help me out a bit.

So here's the story. I'm 21 she's 24. She's Christian, I'm Chrisitan. I met this girl randomly online that lives right in my neighborhood. She was practically stalking me for a week apparently. We were talking one night and we hit it off pretty good but she was had to head out to the meijers down the street. Now i'm one to just go do random crazy things, so I said, " Hey, i'll just be chillin' over on the footons eating and reading, so go find me." She didn't believe me and playfully told me to stop playing games. I told her I serious and wasn't playing.

Once I said that, she hooked me up with her number and said to call her when i was there. Lo and behold she actually showed up. Found me, and we basically shopped for what she needed. I happened to come across some flowers, so I asked her to buy them for her from me. Surprisingly she did.

We left meijers and went on back to her apartment complex. Once there we headed off to the club house/gym and worked out a bit and talked. She basically said she didn't know how I pulled off such a random spontaneous date that went so well.

Everything is going well, lots of kino and good conversations. We head back to her apartment and hang out while. She jumps in bed and calls me on over. She shows me some of her graphic design work, we crank on some music and next thing I know we are very very close. Holding hands basically right on top of each other. Eye contact like no other the whole night. Now, usually at this point the making out starts happening. But no, she basically was kissing my hand, chest etc. But was hesitating or rather pulling back when i go in for the kiss.

So I go with the softcore cuddling kissing and end up staying the night. I woke up when she kissed my face and had to head off to work. At this point i'm totally confused. She was kissing and totally liking me, but was keeping distance from the actually kissing. We head out the door and that's that.

I talk to her the next day for a few mins but I was in a rush. She had told me it was an amazing night and wanted to see each other more often If i wanted. I responded likewise, It was great and all.

Here's where i am stuck. I know she has a ton of guy friends and hangs out with them a lot. I am not afraid of them trying to steal her away and such so thats not a problem. What is confusing is I call her and try to set up another "date" and she's doing something. A few days later I eventually set something up where we meet at this country line dancing bar that she loves and goes to a lot. She brings a few friends and I bring my wingman.

The night went perfect. My wingman kept me in line and was able to distract some of the guy friends so I could get in a little kino and dance with her. It was about 80/20 with her. 80% time with her and the rest was checking out the bar and other girls and talking with them. The whole night she kept coming back to me when I would go walk away.

At closing time I met her one good guy friend who was going to take her home. I didn't know he was taking her home but she came out of no where and had to tell me that he was just a good friend , and to not worry about him--Which I wasn't--, and was taking her home and all that whole time she was kissing my ear. She left, so my wingman and myself stuck around a bit more and found some more ladies and had a good time till the bar closed.

My wingman and I left there and went to another bar. While there I get a call from her saying she made it back safe and for me to call her the next day. For some reason she keeps wanting me to call her. The next day I give her a call to tell her it was a fun night and such. No answer, but she called back later. Call was short and she seemed nervous? Her whole wanting me to call her is really confusing.

Now I want to set up an actual date with her. What should I do about that? This chic is either just leading me on or is too nervous to get close? I would just leave her be if she wasn't so Hot. At least an 8 outa 10.

What would you DJ masters do in this situation?? I want to get the ball back in my court. Just like when at the country bar, I had control. I need some way to get that back.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I happened to come across some flowers, so I asked her to buy them for her from me. Surprisingly she did.
Ok first from what that sounds she bought herself a present from u? WTH?

But was hesitating or rather pulling back when i go in for the kiss.
U sure ur breath was under control? Caz it might be she smelled some bad breath and was afraid of tasting it..... another thing is u have to escalate the kino and kissing to a closer part of her lips, etc kissing her neck going upwards. If shes kissing other parts of u then ur lips usualy means she wants u to do the same to her, then escalate to the lips.

I want to get the ball back in my court. Just like when at the country bar, I had control. I need some way to get that back.
Ugh dude her telling u to call her makes u have the ball in ur court man. U decide and u have the control. The thing is shes giving u the control but ur not making much of it. Tell her whats going to happen, tell her u got a great new movie and that both of u are going to watch it at her apartment this day at this time. See how that works out. LMK laterz
 

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Maybe it's the guy who always has to make the first move/call in her mind.

The whole, you call ME deal, could be a bragging right. Imagine her showing her phone to her girl/guy friends saying "hey look how many times hes called me he he he".

Eh, you never know.
 

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efactor said:
Lo and behold she actually showed up. Found me, and we basically shopped for what she needed.
She led you on a leash. Bad move. You want to move her to an area where you want her to go.

I happened to come across some flowers, so I asked her to buy them for her from me. Surprisingly she did.
Very, very good move! Smart and it shows you think on your feet.
Once there we headed off to the club house/gym and worked out a bit and talked.
Another good move. Physical exertion is a fasttrack to attraction.

She basically said she didn't know how I pulled off such a random spontaneous date that went so well.
She knew damned well. She was just unsure how you got her body heat escalated and pulled off such a deal right under her radar.

Everything is going well, lots of kino and good conversations. We head back to her apartment and hang out while. She jumps in bed and calls me on over. She shows me some of her graphic design work, we crank on some music and next thing I know we are very very close. Holding hands basically right on top of each other. Eye contact like no other the whole night. Now, usually at this point the making out starts happening. But no, she basically was kissing my hand, chest etc. But was hesitating or rather pulling back when i go in for the kiss.

So I go with the softcore cuddling kissing and end up staying the night. I woke up when she kissed my face and had to head off to work. At this point i'm totally confused. She was kissing and totally liking me, but was keeping distance from the actually kissing. We head out the door and that's that.
This is where your cookie crumbled. She was dying for you to lead her to orgasm. She invited you to her bed then you're making out. Sounds like a recipe for sex to me? Her oven was warming up rather quickly but you let the fire die out. She was craving for you to let her inner slvt run rampant on every inch of your body. Once she realized you weren't going to allow her to explore that animalistic side of herself, you became her girlfriend.

I talk to her the next day for a few mins but I was in a rush. She had told me it was an amazing night and wanted to see each other more often If i wanted. I responded likewise, It was great and all.
Again, girlfriend . . .

The night went perfect. My wingman kept me in line and was able to distract some of the guy friends so I could get in a little kino and dance with her. It was about 80/20 with her. 80% time with her and the rest was checking out the bar and other girls and talking with them. The whole night she kept coming back to me when I would go walk away.

At closing time I met her one good guy friend who was going to take her home. I didn't know he was taking her home but she came out of no where and had to tell me that he was just a good friend , and to not worry about him--Which I wasn't--, and was taking her home and all that whole time she was kissing my ear. She left, so my wingman and myself stuck around a bit more and found some more ladies and had a good time till the bar closed.

My wingman and I left there and went to another bar. While there I get a call from her saying she made it back safe and for me to call her the next day. For some reason she keeps wanting me to call her. The next day I give her a call to tell her it was a fun night and such. No answer, but she called back later. Call was short and she seemed nervous? Her whole wanting me to call her is really confusing.
Do I need to repeat? Ok, you're in the girlfriend closet. That's why she likes to phone tag with you. It's safe. She leads you on when out because it builds up her esteem. You do realize the guy (who should have been you) who took her home is probably still smelling his fingers.

Now I want to set up an actual date with her. What should I do about that? This chic is either just leading me on or is too nervous to get close? I would just leave her be if she wasn't so Hot. At least an 8 outa 10.

What would you DJ masters do in this situation?? I want to get the ball back in my court. Just like when at the country bar, I had control. I need some way to get that back.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.
KARMIC LAW #19 - Do not use the term "date". Ever. Remove it from your vocabulary because it insinuates that you're willing to pay (time, money, etc.) for her time. That her time is more valuable than your own.

Instead reframe your intent that you have to use your time to take care of some things but she is welcome to tag along. This frame provides her with interest and intrigue which is much more important, and longer lasting, than sitting across from each other at dinner blathering about nothing.

The remedy for you my young brother is to let her go about her business. Take your wingman and hunt other women. Let her SEE you hunt other women. Watch how the attraction for you is exponentially raised.
 

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Hey you mention Meijer's are you from Ohio, maybe Columbus? There's a popular country bar here too.

Anyway you probably could've kept escalating on her on that date where you ended up in her bed. As a matter fact I'm pretty sure you could've and probably should've had sex with her that night. The only problem is it might've turned into a one night stand or a very short fling. That's what usually happens to me.

I think you need to pull back a little on calling when she wants you to and going where she suggests.Commit her to a one on one encounter like the first night, whether that be going out together for a drink or whatever or to come over to her place and "watch a movie". Notice when you had her alone away from all her c0ckblock guy friends she jumped into bed and was good to go. You need get her isolated again and escalate on her.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Thanks for the input. Helps a lot. I knew I was messing up somewhere. Yeah, that first night basically caught me off guard I suppose and from then on it's been up and down. I'll just back off and keep on the hunt for more ladies.

Just to be sure your basically saying I should step back from her for now? If anything I'll just make it subtly known to her that i'm going out with some other girls so her loss. And eventually call her up and see if she feels like tagging along with me somewhere I gotta go.

If you have any other help with where I should be going with this now, please let me know. As you all probably could tell I'm still no pro yet haha.
 
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