"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I got LMR'd, How should I have handled this?

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In my dorm there is this girl that lives right in the room next to mine. I used a lot of c&F on her and she is way into me. So last night her roommate went home and she was by herself so I went over there to watch a movie with her. The last few times we did this we made out. First time I didn't go for any more, second time I got to second base, then stopped. Last night I was totally sucking on her nipple when she was like "wait stop, I don't know how far I want to go". I tried the freeze out method looked at her a little and was like "ok" and just laid there. She was like "I don't want you or anyone else to think I'm a slut. I'm not like that". I was like, "You're not a slut". She was like "Are you mad?" I said no, but I was mad because she totally killed my boner with that shlt. She asked me again and I said no again. Then we had this talk about her telling me how I give her mixed signals. WTF?

Anyway after all that was over we started talking again and I had her laughing at some stories. Then she goes "Why can't you be cute like this all the time?" :confused:
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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See I had that "are you mad?" line as well after looking at her when she didn't wanna go any further. I'm not sure exactly how you're supposed to do a freezeout without sounding like you're a child that didn't receive the candy you were after ...
 

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AlexTheGreat said:
See I had that "are you mad?" line as well after looking at her when she didn't wanna go any further. I'm not sure exactly how you're supposed to do a freezeout without sounding like you're a child that didn't receive the candy you were after ...

ME: NO but you will be mad that you are too afraid to let your self experience the wonderful passion you deserve.
 

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AlexTheGreat said:
See I had that "are you mad?" line as well after looking at her when she didn't wanna go any further. I'm not sure exactly how you're supposed to do a freezeout without sounding like you're a child that didn't receive the candy you were after ...
I would totally stop, smile, laugh about something, change the subject, and try again in 10-15 minutes.
 

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ME: NO but you will be mad that you are too afraid to let your self experience the wonderful passion you deserve.
GOod.

"I was all mad and she was like are you mad im like naw so she asks me again and i get angrier that she doesnt believe me and so i say no again then she's all youre giving me mixed signals"

Because girls can tell how you feel - they feel it too times x1000
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Shoulda smiled and said something about her missing out on sexy fun times.

The fact that you showed you care did not help.

Good luck in future bro.
 

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"Sexy fun times"? I doubt that would've worked. What do you mean the fact I showed I cared didn't help? The whole idea of the freeze out method is to show you don't care. I was mad but didn't show it.

This girl definitely is not a slut otherwise I would have totally hit it already. How do I break through the anti-slut defense?
 

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Voice said:
"Sexy fun times"? I doubt that would've worked. What do you mean the fact I showed I cared didn't help? The whole idea of the freeze out method is to show you don't care. I was mad but didn't show it.

This girl definitely is not a slut otherwise I would have totally hit it already. How do I break through the anti-slut defense?
See the bold is where I believe you got it wrong, and where I had it wrong too. You were mad, so obviously this affected you. No matter how much "I don't care" look you put on, if this stops you from progressing and you freeze for a minute thinking up something to do to break her LMR, then she knows you care even though you think you don't.
 

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Voice said:
"Sexy fun times"? I doubt that would've worked. What do you mean the fact I showed I cared didn't help? The whole idea of the freeze out method is to show you don't care. I was mad but didn't show it.

This girl definitely is not a slut otherwise I would have totally hit it already. How do I break through the anti-slut defense?
Haha I didn't mean those exact words, I just meant the idea of showing that it doesn't bother you.

Sexy fun times are ahead for you man, surely.
 

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...since you were in her place you couldnt really kick her out like I would have done but if that happend to me I would say this.

HER: You mad?
ME: ...about what?

THat's all you really need to do dont make a big deal about it now if she continued I would have said.

HER: About me not wanting to have sex.
ME: Oh haha no sex isnt a big deal to me, but it seems your a little insecure about it so it's ok we can stop.

No point in making a big deal about something you can get from someone else.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Jaggs said:
Haha I didn't mean those exact words, I just meant the idea of showing that it doesn't bother you.

Sexy fun times are ahead for you man, surely.
Hahaha, yea thanks I get what you guys are saying. I think the only thing I really did wrong besides showing I was mad was not trying again. To think about it I probably had plenty of other opportunities to make moves again that night. I just took it as a 'no' and didn't persist anymore.

The problem is I think she's looking for a relationship, and I'm really not.
 

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j0n024 said:
...since you were in her place you couldnt really kick her out like I would have done but if that happend to me I would say this.

HER: You mad?
ME: ...about what?

THat's all you really need to do dont make a big deal about it now if she continued I would have said.

HER: About me not wanting to have sex.
ME: Oh haha no sex isnt a big deal to me, but it seems your a little insecure about it so it's ok we can stop.

No point in making a big deal about something you can get from someone else.
Nice man, good advice especially the "about what?" line. I should of dropped that.
 
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