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How to make a relationship last

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This site has been great for me in giving me the extra edge to do what needs to be done.

But I am struggling with relationships. They are tough to predict.

I feel like I've come to the point where I can meet new women and seduce them and have an exciting start to a relationship, but then sometimes after a few months they start to unravel.

It is so frustrating to have this happen. It makes me want to not start over again because in the back of my mind I think it is going to fail again.

It also can make me extremely pissed at women. Yes I can date them, have great sex and all that for a while. But I don't feel like I've met a woman that really appreciates me.

It really sucks to have a good career, take care of yourself, be into your health, the arts and many thing and still feel get kicked to the curb.

I understand why alot of guys get bitter now. I used to be bitter because I couldn't meet em. Now I'm almost even more bitter because I can't keep em.

It's like the girl liked what she saw alot at first and then it crashes and burns.

Now don't get me wrong, alot of times I have found that I don't want to be with the woman. But I've still been dumped a few more times than I've been the dumper.

Any tips on how to keep a relationship that started out great going would be greatly appreciated.
 

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** The Long-Term Relationship **

Most of what you have read in the Forums deals with "How to get women"
and how to deal with the first few dates and the STR's. But when it
comes to an LTR, the forums leave something to be desired. So, for
all you experienced DJ's thinking about the next step up - this one is
for you.

1 - The POINT of the LTR

An LTR is a relationship between a guy and a girl that is based around
strong mutual attraction on the physical, mental, and possibly even
spiritual levels. It involves the concept of "love" and the desire to
be with someone you care very highly about for a long time - possibly
for the whole of your lives.

It is NOT something to jump into lightly, but it can have very
rewarding aspects to it and (if you choose your partner wisely) will
lead you to a level of contentment unlike you have ever experienced
before.

2 - The Principles Change in an LTR

The first thing you have to realize about an LTR is that the rules
have changed slightly. A successful LTR involves far much more than
portraying an aura of confidence and being a challenge.

The thing that makes an LTR what it is, is the fact that it is LONG
TERM. You are thinking about spending an amount of time with a woman
that can be measured in years and possibly even decades (gulp).

Think about this for a minute here - do you really expect to last in a
relationship for several years (at least) with a woman who's only
positive aspects include being attractive and good in bed? That might
have worked in the short-term for you, but that just isn't LTR
material. If you think otherwise, then an LTR is not in your best
interest.

The DJ principles that normally apply to women still stand in the LTR.
However, things are going to be different.

This is because the MAIN factor involved in successful LTR's is
compatible personalities between you and the woman you're after.
That's right - the two of you have to be able to stand each other
enough to WANT to be together happily for a long time.

Another big factor is trust. You need to be able to trust each other.

That's not to say you should have to depend upon one another for
everything all the time, but if you can't trust the girl in your LTR
then you should really consider terminating that relationship - for
your own best interest.

3 - What DJ Principles Change

Obviously, confidence will always be a booster in any sort of
relationship. A confident man is always an attractive man.

Sure, you may be able to occasionally get away with not being
confident in yourself from time to time in an LTR, but it will still
work against you if you make the same mistakes.

Being a challenge and being mysterious, however, can be known to work
against you in an LTR.

One of the foundations of an LTR is TRUST between partners, and if
your woman doesn't know much about you or where you are half the time
- then she is going to have doubts if she can trust you.

An LTR is a full-time commitment, and it simply does not work if you
try to sign up for a part-time position. Now, that's not to say you
need to tell her EVERY single detail about you - but the important
things about you are going to need to come out into the light if you
want to have this thing called "trust" in your LTR.

4 - Your LTR Candidates

When selecting a woman for an LTR you should keep one thing in mind -
BE PICKY!!! Settle for nothing less than the best.

Always stick to what YOU want in a woman. Your DJ skills should be
developed enough to enable you to go out and find what you're after
without too many problems, otherwise you should stick to STR's before
making the "big leap" into LTR-ville.

5 - The Test of Time

As time changes, so do people. This is simply a warning that - since
an LTR deals with relations with a woman for a long long time, you can
rightly expect for her (and indeed your own) opinions, goals in life,
career choices, family goals, and beliefs to change as time
progresses.

Now, just because you are in an LTR with this woman is no iron-clad
contract for you to have to stay with her if you are no longer
attracted to her. This is a common AFC mistake where the guy will
stay with his woman because of how he FELT for her once upon a time,
and not how he feels for her NOW.

Do not spend your time being miserable with a woman you today find to
be less-than-great, for you are a Don Juan and NOT an AFC. If things
turn sour over time, by all means - BAIL OUT AND START ANEW.

6 - Marriage and the LTR

It is another common AFC belief that if you spend long enough with a
woman - you should get married. This is not the case for the Don
Juan. If he does not see the point of marriage, then he need not
pursue it.

If you have doubts about the LTR you are in, then marriage is right
OUT of the question for the current time. It may be bad to lose an
LTR, but losing a marriage is the worse of the two (and more
costly!!).

However, if you and your girl have spent long enough together and are
still madly in love and both WANT to be married - then go for it!
Just don't enter these things lightly, or for the wrong reasons.

7 - Conclusions

There is nothing anti-DJ about an LTR. You will still need to keep
the attraction alive between you and her, just for a longer time. For
that reason, it is right to say that the Long-Term Relationship is the
final stage in a Don Juan's development.

For a wise man once said: "The greater man is not the man who can
seduce a million women in his lifetime, but the man who can hold onto
ONE forever."

Nine Breaker
A repost, I know, but it's got some good points.

Just getting out of a relationship myself, you have to remember Ricky that we are in different stages of our lives and even most long-term relationships are "situational". If you are in a better position to advance yourself, then do so by all means and weigh the consequences for each choice.
 

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ricky, i think it depends on your situation and the females situation .

if something isnt right with one of your situations, it doesnt matter what the other person says or does, its not going to factor out as well as if both the situations were going in the same direction.
 

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Thanks.

Guys I'm more than a bit pissed and bitter.

I think it's over and I really loved this girl.

I could break something right now.
 

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Originally posted by Ricky
Thanks.

Guys I'm more than a bit pissed and bitter.

I think it's over and I really loved this girl.

I could break something right now.
ricky, did you really fall in love with her or are you just upset because you think things are over right now?
often , i find myself mad and upset and even a bit sad, thinking i felt more about someone just because things didnt go the way i had planned.
seems like in the long run, im better off without the people that crap on me anyhow.
 

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Well to be honest, the problem with this girl is that she is long distance and i really do love her.

She started out really into me and really high interest. That lasted for a few months. She was even talking about moving with me in a few months (I'm in the process of moving across country).

But lately that talk has subsided. I think she is scared to do it. I can give her that. It would be a big move.

Well I'll know more in a few weeks when she comes to visit. I think I'm just a bit too wrapped on her.

BTW, this isn't the crazy girl with the bad past that I told Gio about a few months ago. This is a brand new one.

Maybe the contrast between this girl, the last one and the girl I dated for 3 years is making me put a halo on her. With that halo I guess I get upset when I think things aren't headed the right direction.
 

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Ricky, it really sounds like you're trying too damn hard to find the "ideal woman" to have a LTR with, and you're getting disappointed because you're not finding her. It REALLY sounds like you're trying to settle with any woman who gives you the time of day.

- Don't look for the LTR, let the LTR find you.

Most LTRs don't happen because they were planned. They happen because the two people evolved together.

- Dating is a way of passing time until you find the "ideal woman" to share a LTR with.

You need to do a lot of weeding before you find a woman who is not only compatible with you, but wants (and does) evolve with you. Just because you're compatible with each other, it doesn't mean you'll evolve together.

Basically, I'm telling you to quit focussing so damn hard on having a LTR. I did the same thing and it got me nowhere but frustrated. I quit doing an actual search for the "right woman" and focussed on just having fun. I figured the "right woman" would come along probably when I least expected it. When I actually found the "right woman", I had no clue at the time. I treated her just like all the other women I dated. We entered into a LTR, but I still didn't keep my hopes up. She let me know that she wanted to evolve with me, but she still had to work for it and make a few decisions to convince me to evolve with her. I needed to know she was serious, but I didn't push anything. She gave all the indications that she wanted to evolve with me, and I accepted them.

A woman needs to work to keep a good man. Women enjoy the challenge of trying to keep a good man. I didn't make things incredibly easy for her, but I didn't make them difficult. She knew that if she didn't make any moves to keep me, she would lose me.

Don't be so damn rough on yourself, dude. There's going to be a lot of women out there who are incompatible, and ones who refuse to evolve. It might take a few years, but it may take a few months. It's unpredictable, so don't try to predict your future. You'll only get frustrated.
 

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Well to be honest, the problem with this girl is that she is long distance and i really do love her.
Distance is not conducive to a healthy relationship

You're off on the wrong foot already


Kaine
 

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Originally posted by Kaine
Distance is not conducive to a healthy relationship

You're off on the wrong foot already


Kaine
says who?
im in a great relationship and right now its long distance.
and other than missing each other , we dont have any problems.
 

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Originally posted by penkitten
im in a great relationship and right now its long distance.
and other than missing each other , we dont have any problems.
 

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It's not impossible

It's unatural and not CONDUCIVE to a healthy relationship

Relationship is about intimacy and space. Long distance is too much space.

Are you going to spend the rest of your lives living apart?

For a chances of a successful relationship you should mitigate the possibility of failure by removing any unwanted variables.

You are better off finding a compatible, loyal and giving person who is within driving distance.


Kaine
 

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what is your definition of driving distance?
something you can drive to every single day and drive home

or

something you can drive to when you can


just because something sounds a little hard and isnt worth your while does not mean that it is impossible.

if it is so impossible, what will you tell all the soliders over seas?
that because they cant come home at night , they can no longer have relationships?
 

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Well thanks Kaine, guess I should break up with my girlfriend because she is far away and cancel that trip I have starting tomorrow to go see her. Man, thanks for opening my eyes! :rolleyes:
 

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Hahaha

You both sound so defensive, if you are comfortable with it so be it. I never said you should dump your partner, but...

you are BETTER OFF with in a relationship where it is NOT long distance, I'd be impressed if you can argue against THAT statement.

No one in their right mind would recommend a long distance relationship to BEGIN with. And no one would prefer to be in one given the choice

Read my post, I said it ISN'T impossible but it isn't CONDUSIVE to a healthy relationship, just as it's not impossible for a one legged man to compete in the hundred meters


Kaine
 

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Originally posted by Kaine
Read my post, I said it ISN'T impossible but it isn't CONDUSIVE to a healthy relationship
That depends entirely on the people involved.

Let's say that one couple is long distance... they live about five hours away from each other. They can visit each other on weekends sometimes, maybe even take longer on some rare occasions. They talk to each other every day.

Now let's take another couple. They live less than five minutes from each others' house. They see each other all the time. They can go forever without really talking to each other or saying a word to one another.

The first couple has to make an effort to keep the relationship going. They talk to one another, really get to know one another in a way that isn't really necessary when you see a person every day. They are much less likely to take each other for granted. Their time together is much more valuable and they treat it that way.

After a couple of years, the two couples get married. I'd put my money on the success of the first couple over the second one. The first couple is much more likely to know each other -- REALLY know each other -- they are more likely to communicate well with each other, and they are much more likely to value each other better.
 

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Originally posted by Kaine
Hahaha

You both sound so defensive, if you are comfortable with it so be it. I never said you should dump your partner, but...

you are BETTER OFF with in a relationship where it is NOT long distance, I'd be impressed if you can argue against THAT statement.

No one in their right mind would recommend a long distance relationship to BEGIN with. And no one would prefer to be in one given the choice

Read my post, I said it ISN'T impossible but it isn't CONDUSIVE to a healthy relationship, just as it's not impossible for a one legged man to compete in the hundred meters


Kaine

it is hard work no doubt about that.
 

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