How do regular guys without game get a girlfriend?

[Manure Spherian]

did that still involve the man having to court the woman?

Depended on the society.

or were people just introduced to each other out of the blue(such as saying, you should meet this person, or you would be a good fit with my son/daughter) without either the man or the woman pursuing one another?

I believe this is done or was done in rural India and some middle eastern countries. I do not like this. What I think is far healthier is what’s done by Orthodox Jews, matchmaking. A matchmaker will try to pair up suitable people on dates. If the dates go well, the pair takes things further. If the two do not fit, they don’t continue. All of it is done with the aim of family formation. No game required.

Anyway, that’s not going to happen. Almost no one gives a sh-t about some young ordinary guy’s plight and that’s evidenced by the notion that all men now need to be SPECIAL to get women.

My personal strategy was acting on IOI’s in everyday life and using OLD. I have never gamed or tried to be something I’m not.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

Depended on the society.

I believe this is done or was done in rural India and some middle eastern countries. I do not like this. What I think is far healthier is what’s done by Orthodox Jews, matchmaking. A matchmaker will try to pair up suitable people on dates. If the dates go well, the pair takes things further. If the two do not fit, they don’t continue. All of it is done with the aim of family formation. No game required.

Anyway, that’s not going to happen. Almost no one gives a sh-t about some young ordinary guy’s plight and that’s evidenced by the notion that all men now need to be SPECIAL to get women.

My personal strategy was acting on IOI’s in everyday life and using OLD. I have never gamed or tried to be something I’m not.

yup i can believe that, its often said that people and society don't really care about mens problems, but they do about women and childrens problems. Another way to put it, only women and children are loved unconditionally, men are not, as in, adult males.

 

[Manure Spherian]

yup i can believe that, its often said that people and society don't really care about mens problems, but they do about women and childrens problems. Another way to put it, only women and children are loved unconditionally, men are not, as in, adult males.

Well, where’s some truth to that, but monogamy was enforced because it is a way to give nearly all men stakes in the future, to have cooperation, minimize sexual competition, and to keep them productive.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

When i go for a walk , most of the couples i see are 90% with the hot babe is either average man hot girl or above average man with hot girl. Rarely a couple which is hot guy - hot girl.

Game is not as well known where i come from. So question is , how are these guys getting hot girlfriends without game?

Maybe their game is what got them the hot girl.

Ever think of that one?

 

[SW15]

Maybe their game is what got them the hot girl.

Ever think of that one?

Either their money or their personality.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

Maybe their game is what got them the hot girl.

Ever think of that one?

i've heard some people say this, i would think there is some truth to it, they say that men need game to a woman attracted to them in the first place, but women only need game when it comes to keeping a man or getting man to committ to them, or avoid getting used by a man.

 

[Macadellic]

Regular guys with a gf is because the gf has experience and she chooses someone naive she can control.

God bless both their hearts for they are both consenting adults.

Furthermore,
It’s not my place to tell anyone who they can or should not date.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

i've heard some people say this, i would think there is some truth to it, they say that men need game to a woman attracted to them in the first place, but women only need game when it comes to keeping a man or getting man to committ to them, or avoid getting used by a man.

Men don’t need game. Just don’t be a weirdo.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

i've heard some people say this, i would think there is some truth to it, they say that men need game to a woman attracted to them in the first place, but women only need game when it comes to keeping a man or getting man to committ to them, or avoid getting used by a man.

I think there is truth to it as well.

We have to also keep in mind that the OP is also basing his entire post on what he perceives an average man to be.

Gotta be careful with that..because his opinion on what an average man is, is not fact.

Or, even if the woman views the man's looks as average, maybe the man's sex game is above average, or how he treats her is above average.

Lots of variables.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

Men don’t need game. Just don’t be a weirdo.

and men are the only gender that get risk thrown the weird or creepy label when intereacting with the other sex

 

[Hamurabimbi]

and men are the only gender that get risk thrown the weird or creepy label when intereacting with the other sex

Come to SF. You’ll have weird & creepy women interact with you.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

and men are the only gender that get risk thrown the weird or creepy label when intereacting with the other sex

I get accosted daily by weird/creepy women, but men don't report women for being annoying / weird.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Women can get away with anything.

I was a work and a female coworker came ip to me. Handed me a dollar bill. Told me to hold it at my belt. And. Infront of others employees said: ‘All you can eat for under a dollar!’.

I got s promotion and a new office. A coworker came up to see my office. She hopped on my desk, got on all fours, wiggled her tush & said ‘Do you need a sexratary?’.

Now these weren’t creepy women. But still.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

I get accosted daily by weird/creepy women, but men don't report women for being annoying / weird.

yup that sums it up, if a guy is accused of being weird or creepy by women, it can have legal or social consequences, but the reverse, women won't get reported or just people won't care.

Another way to put it, womens social awkwardness or social ineptness can be seen as cute or adorable, funny, or people won't care, but for guys, men, they can be perceived as dangerous or threatening, creepy or uncomfortable, even though those men would never hurt anyone and never wanted to hurt anyone.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Another way to put it, womens social awkwardness or social ineptness can be seen as cute or adorable, funny, or people won't care, but for guys, men, they can be perceived as dangerous or threatening, creepy or uncomfortable, even though those men would never hurt anyone and never wanted to hurt anyone.

I've been attacked by lovers in the past, but I didn't report it. I dealt with the attacks and broke up with them, but I didn't really feel threatened.
However, for the 'average man' is still stronger than the 'average woman', which is why 'weird' behaviour from men is more easily perceived as threatening than the 'cute' psycho behaviour of women. So it makes sense that the repercussions for being weird are more severe for men than for women.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

I've been attacked by lovers in the past, but I didn't report it. I dealt with the attacks and broke up with them, but I didn't really feel threatened.
However, for the 'average man' is still stronger than the 'average woman', which is why 'weird' behaviour from men is more easily perceived as threatening than the 'cute' psycho behaviour of women. So it makes sense that the repercussions for being weird are more severe for men than for women.

another reminder on how my mindset and perspective has changed towards interactions between the 2 sexes over the years, i've heard some people say, men need social skills, women just have to be attractive and available and they are all set.

 

[MAB]

n=1

My wife chased me when I was a kissless virgin making 15k/year.
I married her, then she lost attraction shortly after. We had a dead bedroom for nearly 3 years, and even then it was still subpar (only redpill tactics saved it).

I had no game at all and my wife was super into me.

I love it when people share personal stories. Just from this tiny amount of text there is so much to understand here.

1. Women chase men - not the other way around.

2. You are wrong about not having had game. You DID have game, you were just not aware of it.

3. Money is completely irrelevant when it comes to genuine attraction.

4. Once a women knows that she has you in the bag, she will always lose any desire she had for you. This usually happens around 6 months after she feels she caught you.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

I love it when people share personal stories. Just from this tiny amount of text there is so much to understand here.

1. Women chase men - not the other way around.

2. You are wrong about not having had game. You DID have game, you were just not aware of it.

3. Money is completely irrelevant when it comes to genuine attraction.

4. Once a women knows that she has you in the bag, she will always lose any desire she had for you. This usually happens around 6 months after she feels she caught you.

i assume there is a difference between chasing and pursuing, because despite the progression women have made in society at large or how modern the world has become, women still normally never shoot their shot with men they like, it is still normally the man that asks the woman out or is the one to initiate/escalate.

 

[MAB]

i assume there is a difference between chasing and pursuing, because despite the progression women have made in society at large or how modern the world has become, women still normally never shoot their shot with men they like, it is still normally the man that asks the woman out or is the one to initiate/escalate.

I disagree. I know that this is a common trope on these type of men's forums, but this does not match my life experience at all.

People tend to build their worldview around their own anecdotal experiences and the people they associate with which in turn reinforces their worldview. It's a vicious circle.

When a woman has a desire for a man then she'll aggressively pursue this man. Women aren't subtle or shy about it either. She'll make it very, very clear.

If you or the guys you know are never pursued by women then that means that they don't have any desire for you.

I've never approached any woman ever. They need to approach me, because I am worth more than they are. They know this. I know this.

I have life experience, personality, confidence, real friends, integrity, self-discipline, a legit 120 IQ, I'm 6'3, 190lbs, visible abs, legit 8 inch ****, don't smoke or drink or take drugs. I never masturbate and meditate regularly. I have complete control over mu sex drive, I am not a ****ing animal.

What can a woman add to my life? Why should I even notice her?

And if they decide not take to their shot, it's their loss. There is an infinite amount of other, younger, hotter women ready to take their place.

And if I ever get old and become undesirable to them, then that's fine too. I need no woman. I'll rather die then ever debase myself to the degree where I have to pursue them.

And to be clear, I am not bragging, I am telling you that you need to have the same attitude that I have!

Live your best life and know your worth!

 

[Fruitbat]

First you got to define a hot girl and a hot guy.

plenty of disagreement over hot girl. I see some of the thicc women some guys like and no thanks from me. Guaranteed lots of the women you call hot are average to me and vice versa.

In the same way some guys like big busty women, some women like big muscly men. Some guys (me) like thinner women, some women like thinner men. Some women I see look ok but I hate the way they dress and present themselves to the world. Same for women, they like some dudes but he’s wearing a baseball cap! Or he’s NOT wearing a baseball cap.
now I do see what you mean as some women and men we all can agree are more attractive than their partners.

My wife is decidedly hotter and younger than me and it does show. Let’s be honest now why we are together: I earn well, I said upfront I was committed to marriage and kids, I’m good socially and can be relied upon to do family duty. I’m fairly easygoing and good to get along with. Also, and it’s a big one, she knows with me I’m unlikely to stray as I have a woman on one level out of my league. Same for her, yes she could get a fitter younger man but I could also go find a woman who earned as much as me, my age, so less support needed. I could live happily with a similar woman and be super rich. I don’t want that, I don’t value that as much as a beautiful younger wife who’s gonna always be hot to me, and won’t be off having her career all the time.

Women do not think with their private parts like we do, and the sensible ones will think when they meet chad - this guy is gonna be trouble. They want a solid guy who has some talents and abilities and grounded sensibleness and raw attraction isn’t that high a need for most women.
Hence a lot of them think ok, I’m hot, he’s not, so he will work very hard for me.

If only some guys worked this out and approached these women they would find they aren’t all after chad. Damaged ones are and very young ones often are. Most are with them as they will give them a relationship. And treat them well.

Even though I’m not a chad I had plenty of lays before I met my wife on OLD just be being authentic . They were not model looking women, they were average attractiveness women who weren’t fat and scrubbed up well on a date - which is all I expect or need.
females attraction to males is based on way more than looks and some of it is whether you have frame and a large part of it is them liking you, how you make them feel.

Mainly though good job and some wealth is to them what looks are to us. In the same way we will drop an average girl with a good personally and job for a really hot woman who’s a bit boring and works fast food, they will often drop a cool guy if a doctor, or a guy who earns well comes along. It’s in both our DNA