LilJuan
Don Juan
This info is good, alot of it, if not all of it is Darwinism, and contempary Darwinism. Robert Wright has a good book called, The Moral Animal were there is an extremely good section on monogamy and pologomy.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
How attraction works. part II (very long)
- Thread starter ELITE_WOMANIZER
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Inspector Clouseau
Senior Don Juan
Baloney. Women understanding men, and men not grasping the female, has nothing to do with "their mate selection process". What crap. Yes, I am very well versed in anthropology.
No need to look into the female mind, because there is nothing there.
Woman is entirely influenced by her environment; her value systems molded by the environment and emotions. Her environment constitutes her ego.
Given one environement, she will have a certain set of values. Change the environment, change the woman. Take a girl and put her into the party scene, she will adopt values of the party girl. Take that same girl, plop her into academica, she adopts values of the bookworm. Add some age to her and plop her into role of a single mom, she will adopt the values of the mother. Give her a marriage and she adopts everything of which is her husband.
Guys find confusion when applying logic to Woman. There is no logic to emotion. I understand the female mind, and I understand it because I refuse to enter it.
It has been said women's emotions are like the weather, ever changing. You can study the weather and find patterns of reason; cold fronts, warm fronts, jet stream, high pressure, low pressure, etc. Yet no matter how compelling the reasons for a certain day to be a sunny, it rains; no matter how certain it shall rain, it doesn't. You find patterns, but then you see there is no pattern at all. Scientists have been studying hurricanes for ages, yet we still can not determine where a storm will go in the long-term, left with only guessimates of its next move.
Woman is the weather. There is no logic, for all the patterns there is no pattern. The spoon doesn't exist.
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Chubbs Peterson
Senior Don Juan
Elite Womanizer,
First let me say that I haven't read the whole post mainly because it is so long. But the reason I stopped reading it was for very subjective statements like...
"we are are genetically programmed to like beutiful women. who have large tits, a nice curvey ass, plump lips, narrow nose, and the other features"
This statement seems to come from a generally Americanized, generally Anglo-American point of view, which doesn't explain the attractiveness factor as it applies to other cultures/nationalities and groups.
So therefore I question it.
BECAUSE.. (WARNING! STEREOTYPES AHEAD!)
...Black women generally don't have large breasts. GENERALLY SPEAKING, Large breasts aren't the primary sexual preoccupation within the African American community, unlike the white American community. And in sub-Saharan Africa, most people have broad noses.
...Many, if not most white women have small flatter rear ends. They also tend to have very thin lips. Particularly those with roots from the more nothern parts of Europe...
...Asian women (and particularly those who actually live in Asia) GENERALLY are NOT very curvy and have small breasts, as well as flat noses...
...Aboriginal people generally have wide noses as well...
...Until recently in Brazil— the largest country in South America and full of all different types of races- small breasts were deemed more attractive than large breasts....
Blah blah blah...
All these cultures have their own standards of beauty which do not prescribe to the traits that you listed.
So wouldn't these examples REFUTE your statement that we, as male humans, are "genetically programmed" to respond to "large tits, a nice curvey ass, plump lips, narrow nose..." The only part I can agree with is that we males respond to beautiful women. What is considered "beautiful" of course varies from place to place.
If the critera you listed were GLOBALLY true, then Pamela Anderson would be considered the only attractive woman in the world.
I'm NOT trying to pick a fight with you, I just think that your logic needs some more thought and across the board consideration.
[This message has been edited by Chubbs Peterson (edited 10-15-2002).]
First let me say that I haven't read the whole post mainly because it is so long. But the reason I stopped reading it was for very subjective statements like...
"we are are genetically programmed to like beutiful women. who have large tits, a nice curvey ass, plump lips, narrow nose, and the other features"
This statement seems to come from a generally Americanized, generally Anglo-American point of view, which doesn't explain the attractiveness factor as it applies to other cultures/nationalities and groups.
So therefore I question it.
BECAUSE.. (WARNING! STEREOTYPES AHEAD!)
...Black women generally don't have large breasts. GENERALLY SPEAKING, Large breasts aren't the primary sexual preoccupation within the African American community, unlike the white American community. And in sub-Saharan Africa, most people have broad noses.
...Many, if not most white women have small flatter rear ends. They also tend to have very thin lips. Particularly those with roots from the more nothern parts of Europe...
...Asian women (and particularly those who actually live in Asia) GENERALLY are NOT very curvy and have small breasts, as well as flat noses...
...Aboriginal people generally have wide noses as well...
...Until recently in Brazil— the largest country in South America and full of all different types of races- small breasts were deemed more attractive than large breasts....
Blah blah blah...
All these cultures have their own standards of beauty which do not prescribe to the traits that you listed.
So wouldn't these examples REFUTE your statement that we, as male humans, are "genetically programmed" to respond to "large tits, a nice curvey ass, plump lips, narrow nose..." The only part I can agree with is that we males respond to beautiful women. What is considered "beautiful" of course varies from place to place.
If the critera you listed were GLOBALLY true, then Pamela Anderson would be considered the only attractive woman in the world.
I'm NOT trying to pick a fight with you, I just think that your logic needs some more thought and across the board consideration.
[This message has been edited by Chubbs Peterson (edited 10-15-2002).]
donovan
Don Juan
I think you guys should back off alittle and discuss this without resorting to AFC "fvck you bitrot, etc" he's expressing what he wants. I doubt you know much professionally Elite. Although you made great points. And I totally agree with everything you're saying. I doubt you did ground roots research into these conclusions. I believe it would be more along the lines of DYD.
Anyways, the above post talked about genetic selection. eg. Asian men like.... this is partially true. Although I believe most people are individual but alot follow the same pattern for selection. Their environments are slightly different. And most women change to their environment's wants. Notice how many girls are turning 18, that have outstanding bodies? Beautiful skin, its almost that the body seems to gravitate towards what males will find beautiful. Who knows, maybe more fat girls back in the middle ages... I heard thats what they liked back then....
Anyways, lets keep it cleaner, and less personal attacks please! You guys sound like some AFCs. Remember real PUA's don't try and get ahead by bringing people down. They show their status by their actions..
Anyways, the above post talked about genetic selection. eg. Asian men like.... this is partially true. Although I believe most people are individual but alot follow the same pattern for selection. Their environments are slightly different. And most women change to their environment's wants. Notice how many girls are turning 18, that have outstanding bodies? Beautiful skin, its almost that the body seems to gravitate towards what males will find beautiful. Who knows, maybe more fat girls back in the middle ages... I heard thats what they liked back then....
Anyways, lets keep it cleaner, and less personal attacks please! You guys sound like some AFCs. Remember real PUA's don't try and get ahead by bringing people down. They show their status by their actions..
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
that's sad. Another great poster gone.
It's fate.
Why close this thread, it's a great thread. Way better then all the ****ty "Help, I'm such a Loser!" threads.
Realising that makes me think. We're the hell are we going to. Eventually, our genes will become weaker and weaker and we get more and more dependand on technology. :woo:
It's fate.
Why close this thread, it's a great thread. Way better then all the ****ty "Help, I'm such a Loser!" threads.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Anybody can know how attraction works ... it's simple science.
This site is about getting attraction to work - being attractive and attracted - getting your instincts going again and getting rid of anything that stops you from successfully acting on them.
For most of human history, men didn't know anything about the biology, psychology, and sociology behind human sexuality and they still managed to fvck like rabbits!
Whoever said "Knowledge is power" took the will to use it for granted. It's that will that we here must find and cultivate, not more of the same dry facts.
This site is about getting attraction to work - being attractive and attracted - getting your instincts going again and getting rid of anything that stops you from successfully acting on them.
For most of human history, men didn't know anything about the biology, psychology, and sociology behind human sexuality and they still managed to fvck like rabbits!
Whoever said "Knowledge is power" took the will to use it for granted. It's that will that we here must find and cultivate, not more of the same dry facts.
Mmmm yeah. Did a search yeah. Most of it focused on the biology, and most of it I already knew.
Still interesting to know, but actually knowing how to trigger the attraction right now is much more important.
Still interesting to know, but actually knowing how to trigger the attraction right now is much more important.
The-Sultan
Don Juan
I thought i read it all, excellent original post. Didnt repeat anything. I learnt so much, hmm, nice post.