High school hierarchy

[Ozzy]

Watsup guys. Heres my problem: i am in 12th grade, and my high school is big. So social groups dont just consist of the "nerds" and the "jocks". There are also in between groups, and thats where i come in. One could say im in the group second from the jocks. I have read most pua books, and they all rely on DHVing. But in high school there is no way of faking value, and this results in 3 problems: 1 the hb's only go for the jocks. 2 the hb's wont go for second best as being pubescent females, they are very concerned about social status, and even if they are attracted they wont act on it. And 3, ive become a ***** as it would (appear to) be way out of my league, and i also fear the social ramifications of getting rejected. I have been told by less hot chicks that i am good looking, and ive been into bodybuilding for ages, yet, its the jocks who are getting the chicks while i watch on the side lines. So basically i am a not so average but ****en frustrated chump haha. Its gonna take a pua genius to help with this, so, any advice?

 

[Ozzy]

* the 5 star word by the way is exactly what i cant get just to clear up any confusion

 

[NorwegianDJ]

It's all mental. It's how you are able to relate to people. Make people feel good (without seeking anything in return, not even subconsciously), and you are golden. Confidence, initiative, entertainment factor, your social value, and so on. I would like to go on forever, but I'd recommend that you check my signature, especially my post about high school, then apply it. You just have to develop mentally.

 

[LearningSlowly]

Its so easy to see high school this way. Im struggling to break that mentality myself.

Realize this. The groups are illusionary. Anytime you "see" the groups while in school, it means you aren't being natural. You're being a fake, social-climbing tool.

Any social-climber obviously feels that he is not good enough at the position he is in, and wants to be "higher." This gives off a sense of negativity and clinginess.

Don't look for a girl who will raise your status. Look for a girl who you are attracted to, and you connect with. Then do what comes naturally, without trying to apply tactics.

Think less, act more.

 

[Ozzy]

Thanx guys ! But just say there is a chick i find attractive, she is already of higher value to me, i cant use an opinion opener bcos everyone talks at school. So i have to "make a move" which immediately conveys my interest. So now my value is much lower than hers, and she has all the power. See its not the entertaining thats the problem, thats my strong point. Im often the center of attention telling funny stories amd ****. Its the next step. Cos even if i innocently text her, its still saying "how about some ****?" and she will know that there are way better guys to choose from, why should she risk social value for me. Cos my school is so obsessed with value. So many people have left because of the social element. Its a little social bubble where everyone is watching and judging everyone else.

 

[LearningSlowly]

Cos my school is so obsessed with value. So many people have left because of the social element. Its a little social bubble where everyone is watching and judging everyone else.

Yeah, that's high school.

At some point you're going to have to come clean about being interested. You can't hide it forever, there's no way to get a girl like that.

Seeing 'social value' is actually just your ego speaking, someday you'll realize that.

The most powerfully social people are those who think, "That girl is hot, I'm going to try to get with her." Then they touch and talk to her whenever its convenient. Whenever it isn't convenient, they do whatever else they feel like doing. Go through your day looking for distractions, physical actions to keep you entertained.

Ways to bump up your ego: Throw a party, perform some talent in front of people, play a sport and be good at it, get a hot girlfriend.

 

[Fallxen]

Stop caring about your social level. As stated before this is an illusion, if your going for a girl higher up the food chain then go for it, *****footing gets you nowhere. Just keep in mind the whole 'don't give a f*** about rejection' mentality, SURE she may say no, who cares there's other girls out there.

Just do it...

 

[Jack Wealthy]

Its so easy to see high school this way. Im struggling to break that mentality myself.

Realize this. The groups are illusionary. Anytime you "see" the groups while in school, it means you aren't being natural. You're being a fake, social-climbing tool.

Any social-climber obviously feels that he is not good enough at the position he is in, and wants to be "higher." This gives off a sense of negativity and clinginess.

Don't look for a girl who will raise your status. Look for a girl who you are attracted to, and you connect with. Then do what comes naturally, without trying to apply tactics.

Think less, act more.

I really like this. Helped me.


Hokay, here we go: Be louder and more comfortable. The reason the jocks pull all the time is because they think they are the top social group and thus relax in the environment. If you were the biggest nerd there but relaxed and took control, you'd pull. Granted not as much as the jocks because nerds aren't as good looking usually and nerd chicks are usually pruder. But still a lot more than you do now.

As an example, besides me there are three other guys who pull consistently at my school. We all have several things in common: We're above average looking, we feel comfortable talking to anyone and we relax everywhere. My friend Pom doesn't even approach girls, he just relaxes and is a really positive person.

 

[NorwegianDJ]

Assume value.
People like people that like them.
And stop with the routines in HS.

 

[Ozzy]

Thanx guys ! I got a lot out of your advice. Gonna go for a chick (lets call her "D" at a party on saturday, we'll be drunk will post a field report on sunday.
Thanx again for the advice