Originally posted by D4H
But the thing is though, alot of girls that i do want to talk to are in the apartment building. What would i do then?
Talk to them, don't hit on them in a rude or crude way but definetely hit on them. Use them against each other since they will find out you are spending time with other girls since you live so close anyway. Being a bastard in a friendly way has always worked for me as I make no excuses for what I do and if ppl get their feelings hurt, its usually their own damn fault. .
What you shouldn't do is go for the sniper approach and try to pick off one girl at a time. Think shotgun, go for them all at once , that way word doesn't get around that you like a particular girl and that girl only. This way, you set up relationships early and these girls won't prejudge you based on what they have heard from their friends, it gives you more of an opportunity to personally shape your reputation. I am not contradicting the idea of social proof here...social proof is beneficial, it just has to be used correctly.
Originally posted by D4H
Can you give me an example of how u would have went about that first conversation? And an example of what you would say on the second phone convo after seeing what i did say. Also in terms of setting up dates or wutever.. im in college and dont have a car so there arent many options. Its either me going over her dorm, or her coming to my apartment, or us both taking the bus somewhere.
What college do you go to? Around here there are tons of things to do, even without a car. There are about three or more college parties to choose from every weekend, museum exhibits, advanced movie screenings, and every possible kind of restaurant you could possible want. What I like to do is to take a girl to a nice restaurant just for dessert, and try to order something large and share it with her. Sounds cheap but works like a charm. I wouldn't recommend taking the bus somewhere though until you get to know her better.
1st conversation:
D4: Hello is HB there?
HB: this is HB...
D4: Hey HB, this is D4 how are u doing, what going on
HB: (usually says) oh hi D4, what's up (usually, if you start with the question of how the girl is doing, she asks it back as she is registering who is on the phone, a natural response because she doesn't know what to say immediately)
D4: I am blah blah blah...(be doing something, and tell her about it on vague term)
Depending upon what you say, she usually comments on it, especially if you sound excited about what you are doing.
Then, small talk insues. I usually try to make fun of her, not quite neg-hits but more like teasing (which is more my style). I pick things that won't be incredibly rude (like, you are sooo fat, you fatty you) but facets such as laziness, shortness (better to do this in person), and more neutral things that could be construed as rude if they were not delivered with a smirk.
Early on during small talk, she is inevitably going to be wondering why you called, and wanting to know. So, in a pause of conversation, say something like...."I am going to be doing such and such on either this day
or this day, do you wanna come." This has been said on this site before, but giving two different days increases your chances that her schedule will work for one of them. This tip works really well, I use it almost always.
She responds. Don't let her fudge around, get a clear yes or no answer. Then get off the phone as soon as socially possible. I usually don't try to establish any kind of extra rapport during the phone call short of what I get from teasing because I am horrible doing it over the phone because I can't read her facial expressions, she can't read mine, and my reception always cuts out.
The second phone conversation should be pretty similar to the first.
Originally posted by D4H
Also, i did the whole "is the feeling mutual" thing because i remember reading that somewhere on this website, other than that i wouldnt have. And when i would normally do my long interesting conversations id pretty much try to make myself seem like an outgoing guy, funny and get her laughing and get to know each other better, but ive strayed away from this because in the past its ended up taking me down the friendship path after a while.
Yeah, personally, I like to avoid talking about my romantic feelings with someone I don't really know. If the feeling is strong and mutual, you will be able to tell. Don't spell it out for her, be subtle and just assume she likes you.
You can be outgoing with her and get her laughing without falling into the friendzone. Just remember to flirt with her and use kino. As many tips on this board suggest, I have found success in bringing up topics like kissing, massages, etc. in a very kosher way in the conversation, not overtly sexual. Then, I slowly become more and sexual as I get to know her (over a short time period, like several hours). I do this by telling stories about my friends and occasionally myself. Depends on the woman though. A big way not to fall into the friendzone is to establish some kind of report and NOT FAIL to make your move. Failing to make a move has dropped me in the friendzone on multiple occasions. Don't do it. I can think of numerous times I was just sitting there, waiting for God knows what, and I regret it. Much better to get shot down than always wish you had tried to kiss the girl.
Random Comments
1. the fact that she called you back is really good. None of my HBs ever call me back, even when they are significantly interested.
2. sounds like you are doing pretty good for just 2 weeks, you came to this site already at a higher level than many.
3. you can still be friendly and joking in a short conversation, this is what works well for me. That way, she expects you to be fun and thrilling when you first hang out, which makes it easier to get her feeling relaxed around you
4. getting a chicks number in the setting you are in (college) doesn't really mean that much, sorry. Satan Psycho said "Girls just don't reject guys outright" This is pretty much dead on unless you come on really strong and are totally obvious and unsmooth, then they will reject you straight up...or, if they are with friends you are more likely to be rejected directly.
Peace.